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Tommy's loyalties do not lay with the English people (media.scored.co)
posted 10 months ago by WitchHunterSiegfried 10 months ago by WitchHunterSiegfried +72 / -20
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– use40trackmode 1 point 10 months ago +1 / -0

One can not be within Jewish law, while explicitly rejecting jewish law for being judaism.

One is not within it in the sense of adhering to it, but one is within it in the sense of being bound by it.

The Law of Return is a different issue. It encompasses people who are not (and were never) halachically Jewish, generally because Jewish descent is matrilineal or because they converted to Reform Judaism, which does not recognize halacha. And yes, Reform is leftist subversion.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 10 months ago +1 / -0

And yes, Reform is leftist subversion.

Then you prove my point. They're not jews.

A Unitarian which rejects the divinity of Christ, isn't Christian.

A Jew living outside off Jewish Law, isn't a Jew. That's why they can't return

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– use40trackmode 2 points 10 months ago +2 / -0

You don’t understand. Judaism isn’t like Christianity. Whether you are Jewish isn’t about what you believe. It’s about the rules of a legal system called halacha.

If you’re born to a halachically Jewish mother, you’re Jewish, and nothing can undo it, even if you go to a Reform synagogue or abandon the religion.

If you’re not Jewish, and you convert under Reform, you’re not halachically Jewish because you didn’t convert under halacha.

May I humbly suggest that you read the Wikipedia page on halacha (if not something more substantial)? Then you will have the information you need to discuss this.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 10 months ago +1 / -0

Something more substantial would be better. To me, it sounds like the pretty standard "we have a claim over you forever" mentality that most religions have; but in reality, being an apostate or a heretic means you're really just not of that religion.

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– use40trackmode 1 point 10 months ago +1 / -0

From the outside looking in, you’re right. It is saying that they have a claim over you forever. If a Jew converted to Islam and then subsequently to Christianity, both Jewish and Islamic law would assert a claim over him forever. His conversion to Islam would be regarded as invalid and a death penalty offense in halacha, and his subsequent conversion to Christianity would be regarded as invalid and a capital offense in both halacha and shariah.

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