Tommy's loyalties do not lay with the English people
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You don’t understand. Judaism isn’t like Christianity. Whether you are Jewish isn’t about what you believe. It’s about the rules of a legal system called halacha.
If you’re born to a halachically Jewish mother, you’re Jewish, and nothing can undo it, even if you go to a Reform synagogue or abandon the religion.
If you’re not Jewish, and you convert under Reform, you’re not halachically Jewish because you didn’t convert under halacha.
May I humbly suggest that you read the Wikipedia page on halacha (if not something more substantial)? Then you will have the information you need to discuss this.
Something more substantial would be better. To me, it sounds like the pretty standard "we have a claim over you forever" mentality that most religions have; but in reality, being an apostate or a heretic means you're really just not of that religion.
From the outside looking in, you’re right. It is saying that they have a claim over you forever. If a Jew converted to Islam and then subsequently to Christianity, both Jewish and Islamic law would assert a claim over him forever. His conversion to Islam would be regarded as invalid and a death penalty offense in halacha, and his subsequent conversion to Christianity would be regarded as invalid and a capital offense in both halacha and shariah.
That's my point. I don't agree with any rationalization of execution for apostasy, but certainly that is "no longer being a jew" in any real sense of the word.
So we agreed all along? It was just a definition-debate?