I say what I am about to say as an unrepentant fan of Jordan Peterson... at least the Jordan Peterson that once existed 7 or 8 years ago at the height of his popularity.
I honestly don't recognize the dude now. The years of drug abuse / stress have worn him down. He seems to have gotten stuck in a half-measure... he speaks the truth but still holds out hope Canada will pull its head out of its own ass, or (even worse) that there is some baby you don't want to throw out with the bath water of liberalism.
The truth is staring us in the face: Jordan's daughter is a useless thot who has no idea what she is doing. She should have never done anything with Andrew Tate. That isn't strictly because I hate him, either, it's just that his theories are completely at odds with what Peterson himself believes.
I could write an entire essay on what I mean by that, but I will try to sum it up quickly: Jordan and Andrew look at the masculinity problem differently. Jordan's early work was on building prosocial habits of masculinity that lead to building the necessary skills required to be a successful man. Andrew has always focused on the surface-levels "hacks" to appear to be masculine (not unlike the Pick Up Artists of old).
Jordan and anyone close to him should have been calling him out as a grifter from day 1.
Jordan's biggest problem is that his daughter is now an anchor on everything he worked to build.
I honestly don't recognize the dude now. The years of drug abuse / stress have worn him down.
My tin foil hat idea is that Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro (maybe the entire Daily Wire ecosystem) were setup to compromise Peterson, maybe even clone him.
Where were they before he got popular in 2015? Dave was a Young Turk ffs. Then they show up with a highly produced, wide reaching, Right-leaning media machine, just in time to give him a friendly platform as he's being cancelled everywhere else.
Then he goes on tour with Rubin and, completely out of nowhere, gets a massive health crisis, after which all of his opinions become centrist to the point of milquetoast. And Rubin just kind of faded into the background, job finished.
Did anyone see him coming down in favour of the jabs? Mr "I'm not saying your words" is fine with the government forcing untested medical treatments then censoring and shutting down dissent? And now he's pro-Israel 100%, whereas he never talked about it before that point. Not only that, he no longer has any of the passion that made him inspiring or puts forth any ideas that provoke deep thought. It's like he's a completely different person.
From the (((Conservarive media))) perspective, they got a ton of credibility without actually saying anything courageous, and now they have a tame Peterson that will back up any opinion they have, literally saying their words. Instead of telling his fans to stand up for their freedoms when it counted, he waffled, possibly at the most critical juncture of Canadian politics in 100 years, and helped maintain the status quo.
To paraphrase someone who paid attention: that MF ain't real.
Something else that concerns me: he is completely and utterly insular.
I've had conversations over the years with "famous" people in the academic world. One of the good things about academia is how accessible they are. I credit Dr. Warren Farrell with giving me the last kick I needed to get out of my shitty grad program a decade ago. I sent him an essay and he responded within a few hours.
Peterson? His website and email both basically tell you to get fucked. Too many emails, too many voices, no chance to respond to anything. I tested this (with a very well thought out question from a serious point of inquiry, something that shouldn't get ignored) and got ignored.
So you may be on to something here.
ETA: For a while now, I've kind of given up hope in JP. Every once in a while he comes out and says something smart, but it feels so much more... accidental these days.
I say what I am about to say as an unrepentant fan of Jordan Peterson... at least the Jordan Peterson that once existed 7 or 8 years ago at the height of his popularity.
I honestly don't recognize the dude now. The years of drug abuse / stress have worn him down. He seems to have gotten stuck in a half-measure... he speaks the truth but still holds out hope Canada will pull its head out of its own ass, or (even worse) that there is some baby you don't want to throw out with the bath water of liberalism.
The truth is staring us in the face: Jordan's daughter is a useless thot who has no idea what she is doing. She should have never done anything with Andrew Tate. That isn't strictly because I hate him, either, it's just that his theories are completely at odds with what Peterson himself believes.
I could write an entire essay on what I mean by that, but I will try to sum it up quickly: Jordan and Andrew look at the masculinity problem differently. Jordan's early work was on building prosocial habits of masculinity that lead to building the necessary skills required to be a successful man. Andrew has always focused on the surface-levels "hacks" to appear to be masculine (not unlike the Pick Up Artists of old).
Jordan and anyone close to him should have been calling him out as a grifter from day 1.
Jordan's biggest problem is that his daughter is now an anchor on everything he worked to build.
My tin foil hat idea is that Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro (maybe the entire Daily Wire ecosystem) were setup to compromise Peterson, maybe even clone him.
Where were they before he got popular in 2015? Dave was a Young Turk ffs. Then they show up with a highly produced, wide reaching, Right-leaning media machine, just in time to give him a friendly platform as he's being cancelled everywhere else.
Then he goes on tour with Rubin and, completely out of nowhere, gets a massive health crisis, after which all of his opinions become centrist to the point of milquetoast. And Rubin just kind of faded into the background, job finished.
Did anyone see him coming down in favour of the jabs? Mr "I'm not saying your words" is fine with the government forcing untested medical treatments then censoring and shutting down dissent? And now he's pro-Israel 100%, whereas he never talked about it before that point. Not only that, he no longer has any of the passion that made him inspiring or puts forth any ideas that provoke deep thought. It's like he's a completely different person.
From the (((Conservarive media))) perspective, they got a ton of credibility without actually saying anything courageous, and now they have a tame Peterson that will back up any opinion they have, literally saying their words. Instead of telling his fans to stand up for their freedoms when it counted, he waffled, possibly at the most critical juncture of Canadian politics in 100 years, and helped maintain the status quo.
To paraphrase someone who paid attention: that MF ain't real.
Something else that concerns me: he is completely and utterly insular.
I've had conversations over the years with "famous" people in the academic world. One of the good things about academia is how accessible they are. I credit Dr. Warren Farrell with giving me the last kick I needed to get out of my shitty grad program a decade ago. I sent him an essay and he responded within a few hours.
Peterson? His website and email both basically tell you to get fucked. Too many emails, too many voices, no chance to respond to anything. I tested this (with a very well thought out question from a serious point of inquiry, something that shouldn't get ignored) and got ignored.
So you may be on to something here.
ETA: For a while now, I've kind of given up hope in JP. Every once in a while he comes out and says something smart, but it feels so much more... accidental these days.