This isn't the first, second, third, or fourth time we've been overrun by retards.
This shit is much more damaging to a community than any of what Dom lashes out against could ever be.
He claims to care about keeping this community healthy, but continually let's shit like this happen, while simultaneously over-moderating legitimate users. While also not listening to the users, the majority of which think his rules are bullshit and counterproductive.
Reminder that he recently said that this comic is "pushing race war" and...
What is the message of this comic? Pretty straight-forward: In the inter-temporal race war of jews against all civilization, the republican party exists to serve jews and jews alone.
He also says people here want to murder him and his family.
He's also said comparing cops reactions to BLM to reactions to anti-Israel protests is "Asserting hypnotic control of the police to foment an international race war."
It would be one (still bad) thing if he was spinning out, but was at least doing his job in moderating other things. But he's not. Again, he claims to want to keep things healthy here. Are things healthy here, with how he does (or worse, does not do) things?
I've defended him in the past, too. I'm not one of his die-hard haters. He's good on many issues, and I appreciate his hands-off approach when it comes to many issues. But there are issues he weighs in on that he shouldn't, and issues he needs to weigh in on that he doesn't, at least in a timely manner.
He's lost the fucking plot, and is pretty much tanking this community which would otherwise be completely functional. He's the biggest danger to this community at this point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_in_the_Americas
You realize America was a “white nationalist” country for the first...idk 200 or so years, at least, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790
If they're still alive, talk to the people of the era. Even the racists hated the Nazis. The German-American Bundt (which was explicitly a 5th Column) spent most of it's time convincing people it wasn't a Nazi front, and it burned most of the political capital it and other German-Ethnic organizations had from WW1 resisting actual anti-German discrimination.
That doesn't make it a White Nationalist country. White Nationalism literally didn't exist at the time because it is a very specific and unique ideology that rips off the German Volkish movement.
Then you have to have a discussion about who counts as "white" in this context, because typically the English basically used it as synonymous with British. That's why in some of the quotes you guys throw at me, you'll notice so much skepticism about Germans, Irish, and Catholics being able to integrate into a Liberal country. Not to mention that as time went on different groups were declared white based on intermarriage and culture.
Then you have the problem of citizenship itself, which re-emerges in the War of 1812 and the Dredd Scott Decision. American citizenship wasn't even clearly documented, and wasn't even acknowledged by some European states. When the British started impressing sailors that declared themselves to be American, the Royal Navy never really seemed to care, and congress didn't have a good way of explaining how citizenship was determined in the first place. Then there's the question of State Citizenship, which had different requirements, but could be declared US citizenship overall. This is why blacks were removed from citizenship by the Dredd Scott decision. Plenty of free blacks in the US already voted and held political office in several states, and their citizenship via the state was undisputed. But the court wanted to "solve" the issue of slavery, which stripped them of the citizenship they already had, which is already technically unconstitutional given what the constitution already establishes on state authority and unreasonable punishment.
The US has always been a Liberal country, not a White Nationalist one.
Do you draw a line between the phrases “white nationalist country” / “white supremacist country” / “national socialist country”? It’s not like South Africa didnt have blacks in it when it was called “white supremacist” / “apartheid” / etc
Edit: and it’s not like Hitler’s germany didn’t have hundreds of thousands of jews/ukrainians/egyptians/algerians/french/etc in the army. I don’t see a huge difference between these terms, what difference are you seeing?
I don’t think any of “us guys” are sending you quotes saying Germans aren’t white...I mean they’re the largest portion of americas founding population....
Absolutely, those are all different ideas.
National Socialism, in it's specific form is something that almost no one believes in anymore because it is a combination of Socialist Corporatist Autarkey economics, combined with the Volkish and Aryan pseudo-science/religious ideologies. It basically only exists among the mid-century Germans and wouldn't exist anywhere else, even in the US. Even within the NSDAP, some people would be pretty wishy-washy on Aryanism.
National Socialism in it's expanded form is the idea of a kind of Race Communism. It takes the Dialectical Materialism and revolutionary overtones of Marxism, and applies it to a very specific 'race' of people (some diaspora), regardless of the state boundaries, and makes that 'race' the protected proletariat class in the dialectic. The "Volksgemeinschaft". The reason I'm calling this "expanded" is because it is a good way of describing a non-Aryanist version of National Socialism. This allows us to actually include the whole of the NSDAP, as well as many National Socialist organizations out side of Germany.
White Nationalism as an ideology does not require National Socialism. The same way Scottish, Irish, or even Rhodesian Nationalism doesn't. However, Most White Nationalists are just carbon copying National Socialism anyway. They tend to use the same playbook that the National Socialists used to unify German ethnic/sub-ethnic groups under a "Volksgemeinschaft", the White Nationalists are attempting to do the same thing with white ethnicities. White Nationalism could reject Socialism and Leftist dialectics, and also not try for a kind of Pan-Europeanism unification. So for example, you could get someone saying "The Free State of Orange is a White country, and is made up of the White peoples of Africa, including English, Scotts, Americans, French, Dutch, Portuguese and Afrikaners; regardless of ethnic differences. As such, we will form a federated republic, which explicitly recognizes the white populations in the political structure of our constitution". This could easily be the statement of a non-Socialist, White Nationalist, but most Americans never really think this way. Instead, they revert back to the Leftist rhetoric of NatSocs.
White Supremacy is another ideology that can be taken two ways. It can be understood as a kind of White Nationalism that specifically mandates and enshrines the perpetual political, social, and economic power of whites in all cases whatsoever. Where White Nationalism enshrines and institutionalizes white populations within the framework of the state, White Supremacy mandates the dominance of those populations. White Nationalism could take a protectionist stance towards white populations, but White Supremacy would attack other populations.
Adolf Hitler really would have fallen under the expanded definition of National Socialism, because he really wasn't too hardcore into Aryanism. I'm not clear on how much of that he believed. He was clearly an avowed Socialist, but not clearly an self-avowed Aryanist. There was a Nazi religion that delved way more into Aryanism, but I don't think Hitler ever got very involved in that.
And just to be clear, Fascism is entirely outside of all of these.
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Aren't you forgetting someone? Oh, I don't know...
the Anglos?
The Anglo-German tension is one of the reason their "whiteness" was questionable at the time.
Great reply, thanks
And yes of course I should have said “largest demographic after the british”, but to be honest I’m not too aware of much Anglo-Deutch animosity in colonial America, as far as I was aware the “Protestant work ethic” of the deutch had been near universally celebrated since the founding
Interested in your thoughts vis a vis the documentary i just posted on capitalism/debt slavery, especially as it pertains to the discussion of “communism v capitalism” that so much of our modern discourse is stapled to