#1 why should someone who's gay take what the bible says seriously?
Because it's the truth
#2 why would god make gay people?
I can't speak for God but from my point of view it is to test us. Different people have different obstacles to overcome, we learn from them. Sociopaths or pedophiles are also expected to control their urges. Average guy needs to not lust over women. You control yourself and then you realize that it is good to do so.
The prodigal son, in my opinion, is very much about this. Lets say you are gay, are in to the gay lifestyle and then abandon it. It is hard but you realize that you are much happier then before and God is there to welcome you back.
#3 a gay person could cherry pick the bible
They are free to do as they please. The beauty of truth is that it is there for you to learn, your opinion of it is inconsequential.
cherry pick the bible it's alright or you don't do it. when others you don't like do it they're not real christians.
I don't claim to be a "real Christian", I've turned my back to God for a long time, it is just for a few years I've returned. I'm not a "real Christian", I'm just a guy who believes in Jesus Christ and tries his best to learn what that implies.
pedophilia has been confirmed to be a legit mental disorder. and outside of right wing christian institutions... homosexuality is not
I don't care if it is a mental disorder or not, people seem to be split on that but it is irrelevant. I was responding to your argument not making a secular argument against homosexuality. Keep on point.
Being gay is not a self-destructive lifestyle. it's something your born as.
Also wrong by the way. There is no gay gene so there are other factors including molestation. There are genes that make it more likely to become gay yes. At most you can make the argument that it was not under your control.
Also The rest is just silly non-answers to my argument. You are making a secular, poorly made argument on why homosexuality should be acceptable and I make the argument that a homosexual would be happier if he embraced religion as long as it comes from his heart rather then forced upon him by society.
So... you just brushed off my opinion.
Yes, in a way. I can't talk for God nor am I an expert on the Bible, all I can say is that, for me, being a Christian means learning each day from my life and from scripture. "Cherry-picking" for most atheists means that there are instances we go against a scripture because we either don't know or we didn't understand it.
"your opinion doesn't matter in the eyes of the bible"
Also correct. Neither your opinion nor mine, nor the opinion of pickers of cherries.
This is wrong. Even the ancient Greeks realized that sexually abusing boys makes a large part of them gay. Studies have shown identical twins where one was gay the other not, so you are not born that way. Different behaviors as a child can make you gay or straight. You also see it in society now. Also porn affects you.
Being gay is not a self-destructive lifestyle. it's something your born as
Also wrong. You are not born gay and it is very much self-destructive in several ways. Gay lifesyle is a degenerated molestation factory that causes incredible harm to themselves. Is very much self-destructive.
There are gays that are not part of the gay lifestyle, that is correct as well and they usually turn better. Is still not good for them as you are a genetical dead-end. They would also be happier if they were not gay.
Not to mention how you suppose being a gay person who deconverts from their... lifestyle, will be happier. you truly are a fucking idiot you know that?
You will have to trust me on this one, I'm 100% certain to be correct. Although it looks to be much more successful for them to change once they turn 30.
I really don't like you man. that's your fucking excuse? this? and are you dumb? christians call out this shit too! it's not just "atheistic assumptions" it's calling you dickheads out. you cherry-pick to suite the need. that's it
I honestly don't. I try to understand and I change my life accordingly. I do make mistakes and I have a lot to learn.
I've been around alot of atheists as of late. and i've heard nothing but good things from these atheists. that after leaving religion... they felt free.
Basically Satan, he is the one that wants you free of all the rules of God, there is no happiness at the end of that road except misery and pain. I was an agnostic for most of my life and I can attest to that from personal experience
In your case. you think all of life's problems. will be solved if everyone becomes christians
No, God tests us and wants us to learn. We will have to face obstacles in order to learn.
Bullshit. tell me. how much did you actually, have to sacrifice because the bible told you so?
A lot. My entire lifestyle. I don't want to go in to details with a stranger but I have sacrificed a great deal.
and how many convenient laws, passages, and so on, that so happen to align with your own ideology, did you have to follow?
Most have been against how I was and I had to change. I'm not following this laws out of convinience
Because it's the truth
I can't speak for God but from my point of view it is to test us. Different people have different obstacles to overcome, we learn from them. Sociopaths or pedophiles are also expected to control their urges. Average guy needs to not lust over women. You control yourself and then you realize that it is good to do so.
They are free to do as they please. The beauty of truth is that it is there for you to learn, your opinion of it is inconsequential.
I don't claim to be a "real Christian", I've turned my back to God for a long time, it is just for a few years I've returned. I'm not a "real Christian", I'm just a guy who believes in Jesus Christ and tries his best to learn what that implies.
I don't care if it is a mental disorder or not, people seem to be split on that but it is irrelevant. I was responding to your argument not making a secular argument against homosexuality. Keep on point.
Also wrong by the way. There is no gay gene so there are other factors including molestation. There are genes that make it more likely to become gay yes. At most you can make the argument that it was not under your control. Also The rest is just silly non-answers to my argument. You are making a secular, poorly made argument on why homosexuality should be acceptable and I make the argument that a homosexual would be happier if he embraced religion as long as it comes from his heart rather then forced upon him by society.
Yes, in a way. I can't talk for God nor am I an expert on the Bible, all I can say is that, for me, being a Christian means learning each day from my life and from scripture. "Cherry-picking" for most atheists means that there are instances we go against a scripture because we either don't know or we didn't understand it.
Also correct. Neither your opinion nor mine, nor the opinion of pickers of cherries.
This is wrong. Even the ancient Greeks realized that sexually abusing boys makes a large part of them gay. Studies have shown identical twins where one was gay the other not, so you are not born that way. Different behaviors as a child can make you gay or straight. You also see it in society now. Also porn affects you.
Also wrong. You are not born gay and it is very much self-destructive in several ways. Gay lifesyle is a degenerated molestation factory that causes incredible harm to themselves. Is very much self-destructive. There are gays that are not part of the gay lifestyle, that is correct as well and they usually turn better. Is still not good for them as you are a genetical dead-end. They would also be happier if they were not gay.
You will have to trust me on this one, I'm 100% certain to be correct. Although it looks to be much more successful for them to change once they turn 30.
I honestly don't. I try to understand and I change my life accordingly. I do make mistakes and I have a lot to learn.
Basically Satan, he is the one that wants you free of all the rules of God, there is no happiness at the end of that road except misery and pain. I was an agnostic for most of my life and I can attest to that from personal experience
No, God tests us and wants us to learn. We will have to face obstacles in order to learn.
A lot. My entire lifestyle. I don't want to go in to details with a stranger but I have sacrificed a great deal.
Most have been against how I was and I had to change. I'm not following this laws out of convinience