pedophilia has been confirmed to be a legit mental disorder. and outside of right wing christian institutions... homosexuality is not
I don't care if it is a mental disorder or not, people seem to be split on that but it is irrelevant. I was responding to your argument not making a secular argument against homosexuality. Keep on point.
Being gay is not a self-destructive lifestyle. it's something your born as.
Also wrong by the way. There is no gay gene so there are other factors including molestation. There are genes that make it more likely to become gay yes. At most you can make the argument that it was not under your control.
Also The rest is just silly non-answers to my argument. You are making a secular, poorly made argument on why homosexuality should be acceptable and I make the argument that a homosexual would be happier if he embraced religion as long as it comes from his heart rather then forced upon him by society.
So... you just brushed off my opinion.
Yes, in a way. I can't talk for God nor am I an expert on the Bible, all I can say is that, for me, being a Christian means learning each day from my life and from scripture. "Cherry-picking" for most atheists means that there are instances we go against a scripture because we either don't know or we didn't understand it.
"your opinion doesn't matter in the eyes of the bible"
Also correct. Neither your opinion nor mine, nor the opinion of pickers of cherries.
This is wrong. Even the ancient Greeks realized that sexually abusing boys makes a large part of them gay. Studies have shown identical twins where one was gay the other not, so you are not born that way. Different behaviors as a child can make you gay or straight. You also see it in society now. Also porn affects you.
Being gay is not a self-destructive lifestyle. it's something your born as
Also wrong. You are not born gay and it is very much self-destructive in several ways. Gay lifesyle is a degenerated molestation factory that causes incredible harm to themselves. Is very much self-destructive.
There are gays that are not part of the gay lifestyle, that is correct as well and they usually turn better. Is still not good for them as you are a genetical dead-end. They would also be happier if they were not gay.
Not to mention how you suppose being a gay person who deconverts from their... lifestyle, will be happier. you truly are a fucking idiot you know that?
You will have to trust me on this one, I'm 100% certain to be correct. Although it looks to be much more successful for them to change once they turn 30.
I really don't like you man. that's your fucking excuse? this? and are you dumb? christians call out this shit too! it's not just "atheistic assumptions" it's calling you dickheads out. you cherry-pick to suite the need. that's it
I honestly don't. I try to understand and I change my life accordingly. I do make mistakes and I have a lot to learn.
I've been around alot of atheists as of late. and i've heard nothing but good things from these atheists. that after leaving religion... they felt free.
Basically Satan, he is the one that wants you free of all the rules of God, there is no happiness at the end of that road except misery and pain. I was an agnostic for most of my life and I can attest to that from personal experience
In your case. you think all of life's problems. will be solved if everyone becomes christians
No, God tests us and wants us to learn. We will have to face obstacles in order to learn.
Bullshit. tell me. how much did you actually, have to sacrifice because the bible told you so?
A lot. My entire lifestyle. I don't want to go in to details with a stranger but I have sacrificed a great deal.
and how many convenient laws, passages, and so on, that so happen to align with your own ideology, did you have to follow?
Most have been against how I was and I had to change. I'm not following this laws out of convinience
What? what does 1 twin having to be gay and one twin being straight have to do with anything? being a twin doesn't make you a 1 to 1 copy.
I can't understand how you function some time. You seem so low IQ is incredible. They are identical twins, meaning they have the same DNA.
also, alot of kids, especially girls, get molested. and turn out hetero
Girls getting molested by guys does not make one gay, ofc. That is stupid. I've claimed that boys being molested by men does. Even you must see how that is different.
I've also never claimed it is the only factor. Being gay is not hardcoded but there are genes that make you predisposed to being gay. I also mentioned that you have little choice, if it is environmental combined with genetics you have no choice in either.
So... what do you want from gay people dude? by your own admission, they at best, have no control, nor were they molested. so... And you never really go over why being specifically gay is self-destructive? and couldn't someone who's not gay live such a self-destructive lifestyle aswell?
You are correct. You can be self-destructive in a number of ways. You seem to be under the impression that the bible focuses specifically on gays when it does not.
Galean. i'm 100% certain. that if you become an atheist, your life will change for the better! OH! you were already a non-believer? and what?! you didn't like it? well that shouldn't be? well, have you tried again? but try harder? i bet if you actually tried again, and do it again but right. you can properly, deconvert from your religion and be happy. but in order for it to work... you must actually* try. you can't half ass it. you can't be wishy washy, you have to try with all of your might to be an atheist. it's for you own good. and if you truly wanna be better. you have to try earnestly. and be genuine, otherwise it's not gonna work. so are we clear Mr. Galean?
Wrong parallel. Being atheist requires nothing from you. There is nothing to try except abandoning your faith if you had it in the first place. Better parallel would be try Islam or Hinduism.
taking your personal, anecdotal story. and using it to make your religion a 1 size fits all solution.
Lets say you would believe with all your heart about the path to eternal happiness. What kind of horrible person would I be if I didn't at least attempt to share that? I do believe is a 1 size fits all solution. Is the only solution, the only path to eternal happiness.
and for someone claiming to "learn" you know very little about people. their quirks, attitudes, preferences, and personal space. everything must be christ like, because all things through him are possible. fuck everyone else and their opinions. fuck their personal taste and ideas. and fuck everyone else who isn't me.
Putting any of yourself ahead of God and God's plan it's absurd. I understand were you are coming from but in the end it is just no worth it. Nothing is worth keeping from quirks and opinions and all of that.
I don't care if it is a mental disorder or not, people seem to be split on that but it is irrelevant. I was responding to your argument not making a secular argument against homosexuality. Keep on point.
Also wrong by the way. There is no gay gene so there are other factors including molestation. There are genes that make it more likely to become gay yes. At most you can make the argument that it was not under your control. Also The rest is just silly non-answers to my argument. You are making a secular, poorly made argument on why homosexuality should be acceptable and I make the argument that a homosexual would be happier if he embraced religion as long as it comes from his heart rather then forced upon him by society.
Yes, in a way. I can't talk for God nor am I an expert on the Bible, all I can say is that, for me, being a Christian means learning each day from my life and from scripture. "Cherry-picking" for most atheists means that there are instances we go against a scripture because we either don't know or we didn't understand it.
Also correct. Neither your opinion nor mine, nor the opinion of pickers of cherries.
This is wrong. Even the ancient Greeks realized that sexually abusing boys makes a large part of them gay. Studies have shown identical twins where one was gay the other not, so you are not born that way. Different behaviors as a child can make you gay or straight. You also see it in society now. Also porn affects you.
Also wrong. You are not born gay and it is very much self-destructive in several ways. Gay lifesyle is a degenerated molestation factory that causes incredible harm to themselves. Is very much self-destructive. There are gays that are not part of the gay lifestyle, that is correct as well and they usually turn better. Is still not good for them as you are a genetical dead-end. They would also be happier if they were not gay.
You will have to trust me on this one, I'm 100% certain to be correct. Although it looks to be much more successful for them to change once they turn 30.
I honestly don't. I try to understand and I change my life accordingly. I do make mistakes and I have a lot to learn.
Basically Satan, he is the one that wants you free of all the rules of God, there is no happiness at the end of that road except misery and pain. I was an agnostic for most of my life and I can attest to that from personal experience
No, God tests us and wants us to learn. We will have to face obstacles in order to learn.
A lot. My entire lifestyle. I don't want to go in to details with a stranger but I have sacrificed a great deal.
Most have been against how I was and I had to change. I'm not following this laws out of convinience
I can't understand how you function some time. You seem so low IQ is incredible. They are identical twins, meaning they have the same DNA.
Girls getting molested by guys does not make one gay, ofc. That is stupid. I've claimed that boys being molested by men does. Even you must see how that is different.
I've also never claimed it is the only factor. Being gay is not hardcoded but there are genes that make you predisposed to being gay. I also mentioned that you have little choice, if it is environmental combined with genetics you have no choice in either.
Wrong parallel. Being atheist requires nothing from you. There is nothing to try except abandoning your faith if you had it in the first place. Better parallel would be try Islam or Hinduism.
Lets say you would believe with all your heart about the path to eternal happiness. What kind of horrible person would I be if I didn't at least attempt to share that? I do believe is a 1 size fits all solution. Is the only solution, the only path to eternal happiness.
Putting any of yourself ahead of God and God's plan it's absurd. I understand were you are coming from but in the end it is just no worth it. Nothing is worth keeping from quirks and opinions and all of that.