"The second panel is unironically a much better design"
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"Real fucking women" don't look like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.
"real fucking women" don't look like something out of Big Booty Hoes 14, either. i'm telling you - this will FOREVER be an uphill battle as long as our counterpoint to the masculinization of women in media is little other than extremized, pornographic depictions of them.
it would be so effective to argue instead for actual average-looking (that is, regularly pretty and attractive) women that i've long suspected this movement, which constantly espouses games like Dead Or Alive as the peak depiction of girls in media, is in fact controlled opposition. it just makes us look like pornsick retards trying to get our rocks off.
No, the bad-faith reframing of a couple millennia old tendency towards enjoying beauty as something base is what does that, and you're giving it airplay.
Take a walk through the Louvre. A sizable portion of its contents are designed to titillate, and do so with far more nudity than you'll find in any game. Should we burn it to the ground in a misguided attempt to avoid what is essentially an insult, designed to shame in lieu of an actual argument?
Grande Odalisque
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Dead or Alive 6
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Moero Crystal H
practically the same, i know. one is some guy painting a turkish concubine, another is an industrialized pornography magazine reference, and another is prompting the user to "rub vigorously" to get to view more pornography.
And what exactly is the point of your cherry picking? Everyday women, aristocracy, queens, semi-divine beings and goddesses all where subject to sexualisation. There's a very long history of people appreciating idealised, even sexualised beauty in non-sexual ways.
So no, I don't think hentai is the same thing as classical art. Nor am I making an argument in favour of it. I just think the notion that people enjoy idealised or even sexualised characters in games solely as a substitute for pornography is retarded. Given that it's the go-to means of dismissing criticisms of the intentional androgynisation of characters, I'm certainly not going to support it, even if we can agree on the excess of porn in modern society.