I actually agree. But then you also agree there should be punishment. Not like some people on this thread who think he just should have to pay what he had refused - that is not punishment.
but then again I'm talking with someone who has no idea that even his history of being a reddit liberal in the past could be used to end him in the future if the pendulum swings back hard enough.
I joined Reddit for GG.
The difference is that you could probably moralize yourself into believing you're somehow better for it because you have a rule you can point to for your bloodlust and sadism, as if you've never done anything wrong in your own life, ever.
Do you think it is 'bloodlust'? Or is it that having any sort of functioning society requires that some, generally malefactors, be screwed over? Do you know what used to happen to girls who got pregnant out of wedlock in a place like Ireland? Pretty unpleasant things. Which is why that was rare.
If you've ever driven on the road for example, everyone fucking speeds, only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction are ever caught for it. Doesn't get into how many obscure, arcane, and outdated laws there are that are still legally in effect that people would be considered guilty of if they were ever enforced.
I don't give a damn about 'the law' - look at the moral character of those who make them. I've never followed any speed limit. Jaywalking and speeding are not moral matters, unless you're going 200 km/hour where it's unsafe.
There is a sharp difference between law and legislation, as Hayek said. Law is something that is organic and has deep foundations in a society. The law against stealing would be law. On the other hand, a ban on gas stoves is legislation. If you define the terms in this way, law is worthy of respect and legislation is not.
Not to mention things like context matters. We treat a 5 year old, a 15 year old, a 45 year old, and an 85 year old differently for a reason. We also treat first offenses differently than repeat offenders, and those are 2 of many, many factors that would play into such things.
Yes, I don't understand why you're explaining this. Although this guy was a repeat offender.
You think your reasoning would make a difference to someone with an axe to grind against the enemies of his civilization?
Before he gets to me, he'd have to kill 95% of the population first, so I'm relatively safe.
On that note, you've also used the word "nigger" before iirc
In fact, I used it today. What about the word 'nigger'? I hope I've never given the impression that I care about ridiculous liberal-American sensitivities.
so you would be no darling of the left either and would probably be executed if crazy enough leftists got into power and enacted a totalitarian rule.
I never argued that I was a 'darling' of the left. Considering the things that make them cheer, I hope not.
Forgiveness, mercy, restraint and grace are also part of the western world's moral (and by extension, legal) foundation. We aren't mudslimes here.
It's long abandoned.
Leftists have misunderstood and taken advantage of this "weakness" for their own ends and twisted it around towards their political agendas.
That's a big issue, isn't it? They have an aversion to any sort of punishment - except for their political opponents. If you know Robert Sapolsky, the allegedly eminent biologist, in one of his books he argues that humans do not have free will, and that ideally, people who commit crimes would be segregated from society in such a way that they would not feel as punishment. Quite apart from the moral wrong that this is, only a total fool would believe that this has no anti-deterrent effect.
With all this said, I do understand where you're coming from. But what I don't understand is how you can be so certain and confident that where you decide to draw the line is good, and the people allowing stealing up to $950 are wrong. I can easily see them make the same argument for that, though they never make arguments based on any moral foundation, let alone that of the Western world.
There is a sharp difference between law and legislation, as Hayek said. Law is something that is organic and has deep foundations in a society.
That's a nice philosophical delineation. I will admit that Japanese culture leans more towards collectivism and passive deference to authority, and is far too accepting of legislation as authority in itself. From my experience, many people there would explain that you can't do something simply because it's against the law or rules and that's the only explanation needed. Morals and justification are irrelevant. There's also a petty nature to some people who think "if I can't do that thing, I won't let you do it either", but I'm not sure how common that is.
I actually agree. But then you also agree there should be punishment. Not like some people on this thread who think he just should have to pay what he had refused - that is not punishment.
I joined Reddit for GG.
Do you think it is 'bloodlust'? Or is it that having any sort of functioning society requires that some, generally malefactors, be screwed over? Do you know what used to happen to girls who got pregnant out of wedlock in a place like Ireland? Pretty unpleasant things. Which is why that was rare.
I don't give a damn about 'the law' - look at the moral character of those who make them. I've never followed any speed limit. Jaywalking and speeding are not moral matters, unless you're going 200 km/hour where it's unsafe.
There is a sharp difference between law and legislation, as Hayek said. Law is something that is organic and has deep foundations in a society. The law against stealing would be law. On the other hand, a ban on gas stoves is legislation. If you define the terms in this way, law is worthy of respect and legislation is not.
Yes, I don't understand why you're explaining this. Although this guy was a repeat offender.
Before he gets to me, he'd have to kill 95% of the population first, so I'm relatively safe.
In fact, I used it today. What about the word 'nigger'? I hope I've never given the impression that I care about ridiculous liberal-American sensitivities.
I never argued that I was a 'darling' of the left. Considering the things that make them cheer, I hope not.
It's long abandoned.
That's a big issue, isn't it? They have an aversion to any sort of punishment - except for their political opponents. If you know Robert Sapolsky, the allegedly eminent biologist, in one of his books he argues that humans do not have free will, and that ideally, people who commit crimes would be segregated from society in such a way that they would not feel as punishment. Quite apart from the moral wrong that this is, only a total fool would believe that this has no anti-deterrent effect.
With all this said, I do understand where you're coming from. But what I don't understand is how you can be so certain and confident that where you decide to draw the line is good, and the people allowing stealing up to $950 are wrong. I can easily see them make the same argument for that, though they never make arguments based on any moral foundation, let alone that of the Western world.
That's a nice philosophical delineation. I will admit that Japanese culture leans more towards collectivism and passive deference to authority, and is far too accepting of legislation as authority in itself. From my experience, many people there would explain that you can't do something simply because it's against the law or rules and that's the only explanation needed. Morals and justification are irrelevant. There's also a petty nature to some people who think "if I can't do that thing, I won't let you do it either", but I'm not sure how common that is.