Because I pointed out that the path to white people loving you is to whine about racism, like these blacks, and not point out reality, like Coleman Hughes, John McWhorter, Thomas Sowell and many other whose intellect is vastly greater than the clowns worshiped by whites?
i remember you saying something to the effect of. "while it would be nice for gay people to be out and openly gay with the degeneracy. it's long past that point. and i don't mind gay people going back into the closet if society can go back to normal" or something like that.
Yeah, I do think that what is happening right now is a vastly greater evil than homosexuals being in the closet. Civilization has survived the latter. Can we survive the former? Perhaps you will argue that it is 'unfair'. But there is no rule that life has to be fair. People are born with all sorts of things that screws them over in life.
You have a problem with gay people, and default to the bible to give you guidance
Neither is true. I don't have a problem with "gay people" (I don't think this should be an identity), nor with people who practice homosexuality. I have a problem with how the acceptance of homosexuality has opened the floodgates, or at least has coincided with, the opening of the floodgates of degeneracy.
instead of addressing why the gays act the way they do now. could be they pushed to fringe of society due to religion.
Then you would expect homosexuals to become more normal as their practices are more accepted. Maybe it is too soon to tell, but it certainly does not seem that way to me. With acceptance now taken for granted, it seems to be going the other way, and pushing the envelope with degeneracy like transgenderism, grooming and perversion.
What argument? and i didn't discredit smith. all i did was claim, that being black here is fine... if you suck enough white dicks.
You apologized to him only to accuse him now of 'sucking enough white dicks'? See, this is why no one likes you, and everyone likes him. Because you are obnoxious as hell if taken seriously, and he is quite possibly the most pleasant fellow here.
really? you don't see anything wrong with being gay?
That was not your claim. You claimed I see it as an illness, or something like that. You have nothing with which to back it up.
As for it being bad, I think it is bad on a societal level, not on an individual level. On an individual level, I only despise the activists.
Yeah but under religious hierarchy things like: tourettes, schizophrenia, autism. and other medical illnesses were treated as if they were the works of evil spirits...
You don't say, when people did not know what the hell was going on, they made up explanations that made no sense. If you're going to blame religion for this, you should blame medicine for bloodletting - as humors was the leading medical theory until recently.
neither religion, nor non-religion is perfect.
You said all crazy that to come to this eminently reasonable conclusion? C'mon. At least say religion is much worse than Nazism. With your statement I agree.
wanna oppose pregnant fucking man? you can do that as either an atheist or a believer. you don't need to be apart of something to oppose stupid.
I agree. But why are we moving towards 'pregnant men' as religion is being lost? Like with what you call 'being gay', this is not bad on the individual level (as an atheist may be more reasonable than a believer, like I am), but on a social level - it seems that if you don't believe in religion, you will fall for anything. Certainly, our descent into madness as religion is lost does not suggest that loss of religion is doing a great amount of good.
You do know some religious people view homsexuality as a mental illness right?
Depends on how you define mental illness. But it is a strange way for religious people to deal with a sin.
again man just admit that religion isn't perfect
Done. Religion isn't perfect. Now admit that we've gone to absolute hell since religion started declining.
Yeah but why was it barbaric in the first place? that should be where your mind should be going to when your wanting to impose religion as a culture norm. just saying.
Why was it.
and claiming any progress we made in this society was because of religion, instead of despite of it.
I never claimed that. Why do you keep making stuff up?
Yeah i don't know where you live in the EU buddy but... your full of shit man. and i know this is old being 2018 and all. but it seems like instead doing research. you just run your mouth.
Doesn't even work, but yeah, as for the people I know, almost no one is religious. You didn't think I was claiming to know the entire population, right?
Good question. because the people who are in support of the bible say and do dumb shit.
Wait, so let me get this straight. If people here liked the works of Shakespeare, and said 'dumb shit', you would be criticizing Shakespeare? What a weird way to go about things.
the gay thing being one. abortion being another. and race mixing... which alot of racist christians bring up...
It's just stuff you disagree with. It is not "dumb shit". I'm also pro-abortion, but I don't think people are dumb if they disagree with me as you do in your arrogance.
just because you agree with some tenets of the bible. doesn't mean everyone else does.
Well, you do. If you oppose so called 'racism', then that is a residue of Christian values. There is no Jew or Greek in Christ, after all, and Jesus is said to have commanded to make disciples of all the nations of the world.
Because people posing as me trying to ruin my life is a bad thing.
They're not 'ruining your life', or having any effect on your life.
it's like your saying if someone shits on me. that's a good thing.
Well, yeah. You think I mind downvotes?
so i would like it if you could just block me ok buddy? i don't block people. that's weak sauce, but i do take great pride when people block me so that's one less asshole i have to talk to.
If I'm the 'asshole' either on this forum or in this conversation, there is something seriously wrong with you. And if you take pride in being blocked, then you understand my argument that it's a mark of pride in having someone get so mad to create fake accounts - as they've also done for me.
And this is why i didn't wanna debate you on this one. first off... humanity more times in the past has come to brink of world ending violence. in this day and age... not so much. and you put the fault of this on... open homosexuals?
Where do you get that I put the evil of 'world ending violence' on homosexuals? I'm just saying that homosexuals (if there is an identity) being in the closet is a far lesser evil than the potentially world-ending consequences of libertinism... which, just so you know, is not the fault of homosexuals, although the acceptance of homosexuality is part of it.
they always say that followed by some dumb shit. more on this later
Great, then I'll not bother saying it ever again.
all of which, wouldn't have happened... had they been given human rights from the getgo and allowed to assimilate into normal society.
They had human rights. You probably mean that if homosexuality had been accepted. That possibly would have prevented this activism from coming into existence and becoming the never-ending pest that it is now. But I don't know how history would have progressed in that case. There are very few examples of advanced societies that were fine with homosexuality, and no, ancient Greece is not an example.
no, because he agrees, and i disagree
He agrees with WHAT? That he sucks a lot of white dicks? Shame on you.
you-you do know most of those doctors that did that humor stuff was religious right?
Well, yeah - everyone was. Same reason you use to dismiss all the 'scientists' or natural philosophers who were religious. But of course, they didn't get it from their religion, they got it from Galen. How you try to pin this on religion is beyond me.
Now your being a piece of shit. religion in it's early day had some fucked up stuff. but got over it. their's still far more religious people atleast here in the stats by 81% so by no means is this crazy the result of a "lack" of religion. and even if it was.
If you call what you have in the US religion. And who exactly is pushing 'pregnant men'? Is it the religiously devout? No, it's people with no religion.
why are you giving religion a pass to make many mistakes. but a society that's atheistic that does dumb shit needs to be revoked. sounds like double standards to me.
They were not 'mistakes', they were human universals. Like slavery. In fact, it was devout Christians who championed the abolition of slavery, and who unlike the humorists, did so based on their religion. As for the mistakes of modernity, they are not human universals. They are modern inventions. It is very hard to try to excuse them in any way.
wanna know how they deal with it? beating, publicly shaming, killing, converting with leads to depression and later suicide... yeah man your right. having gay people fucking miserable is far better for society. see! your not a piece of shit monster! your a decent human being.
How many people in the Middle Ages committed suicide because they were, in your words, gay? All this never happened. But then you use it as an excuse to push your agenda. Maybe there will be few to no 'gay people' if society discourages it enough. Have you ever thought of that? 20% of young Americans now identify with that rainbow cult, compared to less than 1% of oldtimers. As for people who do have an inclination towards homoesxuality, that's their cross to bear.
This is not necessarily my opinion, but you are provoking me to play devil's advocate.
I-i already did. i just said both atheism and religion aren't perfect. but your the only asshole who's saying: "yeah religion fucked before in the past... but it's our only way forward"
Never said it sucked.
that's you! admitting that religion is needed.
Not at all. Correlation is not causation, after all. There may be another cause for the total insanity we're facing than the 'decline of religion'. Or it may be that both decline of religion and the spread of insanity have a separate cause. I suspect that it has something to do with the fall of religion, and you have done not much to allay my fear.
Now your being a bible dick sucker. if your pushing for religion to be norm. why don't most religious people act in such a way that is becoming or civil?
The standard for whether religion is good is not whether most religious people are good by your arbitrary standards. It's whether they are better than they otherwise would be. Which is why "but people in the past were BAAAAD" rings hollow.
Oh heeeeell! no! you did not just pull your morality came from the bible. go fuck yourself man. also most christian were pretty racist towards the jews back then...
I don't, you do. The reason you think that people are equal regardless of race, is because of your residual Christian values. Christians were never racist against Jews. Jews were not considered a race before modern times - it was religious bias. You should have cited the KKK and other faux Christians who were racist against blacks, that's a better example. But obviously, that was racists trying to read their racism in the Bible than people reading the Bible and saying "oh, crap, I guess I have to hate my black neighbor now".
Because I pointed out that the path to white people loving you is to whine about racism, like these blacks, and not point out reality, like Coleman Hughes, John McWhorter, Thomas Sowell and many other whose intellect is vastly greater than the clowns worshiped by whites?
Yeah, I do think that what is happening right now is a vastly greater evil than homosexuals being in the closet. Civilization has survived the latter. Can we survive the former? Perhaps you will argue that it is 'unfair'. But there is no rule that life has to be fair. People are born with all sorts of things that screws them over in life.
Neither is true. I don't have a problem with "gay people" (I don't think this should be an identity), nor with people who practice homosexuality. I have a problem with how the acceptance of homosexuality has opened the floodgates, or at least has coincided with, the opening of the floodgates of degeneracy.
Then you would expect homosexuals to become more normal as their practices are more accepted. Maybe it is too soon to tell, but it certainly does not seem that way to me. With acceptance now taken for granted, it seems to be going the other way, and pushing the envelope with degeneracy like transgenderism, grooming and perversion.
You apologized to him only to accuse him now of 'sucking enough white dicks'? See, this is why no one likes you, and everyone likes him. Because you are obnoxious as hell if taken seriously, and he is quite possibly the most pleasant fellow here.
That was not your claim. You claimed I see it as an illness, or something like that. You have nothing with which to back it up.
As for it being bad, I think it is bad on a societal level, not on an individual level. On an individual level, I only despise the activists.
You don't say, when people did not know what the hell was going on, they made up explanations that made no sense. If you're going to blame religion for this, you should blame medicine for bloodletting - as humors was the leading medical theory until recently.
You said all crazy that to come to this eminently reasonable conclusion? C'mon. At least say religion is much worse than Nazism. With your statement I agree.
I agree. But why are we moving towards 'pregnant men' as religion is being lost? Like with what you call 'being gay', this is not bad on the individual level (as an atheist may be more reasonable than a believer, like I am), but on a social level - it seems that if you don't believe in religion, you will fall for anything. Certainly, our descent into madness as religion is lost does not suggest that loss of religion is doing a great amount of good.
Depends on how you define mental illness. But it is a strange way for religious people to deal with a sin.
Done. Religion isn't perfect. Now admit that we've gone to absolute hell since religion started declining.
Why was it.
I never claimed that. Why do you keep making stuff up?
Doesn't even work, but yeah, as for the people I know, almost no one is religious. You didn't think I was claiming to know the entire population, right?
Wait, so let me get this straight. If people here liked the works of Shakespeare, and said 'dumb shit', you would be criticizing Shakespeare? What a weird way to go about things.
It's just stuff you disagree with. It is not "dumb shit". I'm also pro-abortion, but I don't think people are dumb if they disagree with me as you do in your arrogance.
Well, you do. If you oppose so called 'racism', then that is a residue of Christian values. There is no Jew or Greek in Christ, after all, and Jesus is said to have commanded to make disciples of all the nations of the world.
They're not 'ruining your life', or having any effect on your life.
Well, yeah. You think I mind downvotes?
If I'm the 'asshole' either on this forum or in this conversation, there is something seriously wrong with you. And if you take pride in being blocked, then you understand my argument that it's a mark of pride in having someone get so mad to create fake accounts - as they've also done for me.
Where do you get that I put the evil of 'world ending violence' on homosexuals? I'm just saying that homosexuals (if there is an identity) being in the closet is a far lesser evil than the potentially world-ending consequences of libertinism... which, just so you know, is not the fault of homosexuals, although the acceptance of homosexuality is part of it.
Great, then I'll not bother saying it ever again.
They had human rights. You probably mean that if homosexuality had been accepted. That possibly would have prevented this activism from coming into existence and becoming the never-ending pest that it is now. But I don't know how history would have progressed in that case. There are very few examples of advanced societies that were fine with homosexuality, and no, ancient Greece is not an example.
He agrees with WHAT? That he sucks a lot of white dicks? Shame on you.
Well, yeah - everyone was. Same reason you use to dismiss all the 'scientists' or natural philosophers who were religious. But of course, they didn't get it from their religion, they got it from Galen. How you try to pin this on religion is beyond me.
If you call what you have in the US religion. And who exactly is pushing 'pregnant men'? Is it the religiously devout? No, it's people with no religion.
They were not 'mistakes', they were human universals. Like slavery. In fact, it was devout Christians who championed the abolition of slavery, and who unlike the humorists, did so based on their religion. As for the mistakes of modernity, they are not human universals. They are modern inventions. It is very hard to try to excuse them in any way.
How many people in the Middle Ages committed suicide because they were, in your words, gay? All this never happened. But then you use it as an excuse to push your agenda. Maybe there will be few to no 'gay people' if society discourages it enough. Have you ever thought of that? 20% of young Americans now identify with that rainbow cult, compared to less than 1% of oldtimers. As for people who do have an inclination towards homoesxuality, that's their cross to bear.
This is not necessarily my opinion, but you are provoking me to play devil's advocate.
Never said it sucked.
Not at all. Correlation is not causation, after all. There may be another cause for the total insanity we're facing than the 'decline of religion'. Or it may be that both decline of religion and the spread of insanity have a separate cause. I suspect that it has something to do with the fall of religion, and you have done not much to allay my fear.
The standard for whether religion is good is not whether most religious people are good by your arbitrary standards. It's whether they are better than they otherwise would be. Which is why "but people in the past were BAAAAD" rings hollow.
I don't, you do. The reason you think that people are equal regardless of race, is because of your residual Christian values. Christians were never racist against Jews. Jews were not considered a race before modern times - it was religious bias. You should have cited the KKK and other faux Christians who were racist against blacks, that's a better example. But obviously, that was racists trying to read their racism in the Bible than people reading the Bible and saying "oh, crap, I guess I have to hate my black neighbor now".