I'd somewhat agree with them, but for opposite reasons. It's easy and shallow to point at Nazi Germany as a negative of "too much nationalism", but far too little look at how it was born from far too little.
To oversimplify it, Nazi Germany was the result of Germany being abused after WW1. This is why Hitler, contrary to popular belief, isn't the primary cause. He was just one man that answered the call of the people. Sure, he directed a fair chunk of it, but mass nationalism was always going to happen.
And the root problem was accepting that abuse in the first place. Having so little nationalism that you allow yourself to be downtrodden.
I'm not a fan of nationalism. But to deny the social importance of such stances is to invite in destruction. The biggest lie out there is "multiculturalism", because cultures do not mix. They might be able to coexist in very limited natures, but they do not mix well. And what's more important is that most people do not understand what culture actually is, focusing solely on superfluous elements like food, dance, music, fashion, etc, and not the important elements like social structures, morality, justice, etc. And because of that shallow understanding of culture, so many are willing to let it go time and again under the delusion that you're being tolerant, or letting people who are antithetical to said culture into your spaces (Islam into Western Nations for a very clear cut example), or laying down and taking abusive structures that are imposed upon you by those looking to subjugate others.
Again, I'm not a fan of nationalism. But the alternative is far far worse.
I don't need to like something to recognise that the alternative is far worse, or that cultures overwhelmingly don't mix. The "issue" (if you want to take it that far, which it isn't) is more the active nature that many nationalistic elements take. I'm also not a huge fan of how nationalism is often abused and deliberately muddled with state loyalty.
The ideal of nationalism versus the practice and application of nationalism are two different things, and while I'm not against the former, the latter is a bit more murkier. I'm not a fan of collectivism regardless of the collective, be it the communist variety or the nationalist variety (primarily ethno-nationalism). The collectivist nature is the element that I most struggle to find myself supporting. And maybe you'll find that makes me weak, or naively idealistic, or this, or that, and that's fine. I know that it's an area I haven't fully explored in myself, and know that there's some elements that don't robustly add up.
Because I'm not against the idea of immigration (presuming there is assimilation as opposed to the lie of multiculturalism). Isolationism isn't something I support either. But this globalist trajectory everything is heading towards is far, far worse than the negatives I see in either of those positions.
Really. We want to go down a "muh privilege" route? And you're gonna wonder why I'm not a fan of collectivism, especially when you use it interchangeably to refer to association.
I'd somewhat agree with them, but for opposite reasons. It's easy and shallow to point at Nazi Germany as a negative of "too much nationalism", but far too little look at how it was born from far too little.
To oversimplify it, Nazi Germany was the result of Germany being abused after WW1. This is why Hitler, contrary to popular belief, isn't the primary cause. He was just one man that answered the call of the people. Sure, he directed a fair chunk of it, but mass nationalism was always going to happen.
And the root problem was accepting that abuse in the first place. Having so little nationalism that you allow yourself to be downtrodden.
I'm not a fan of nationalism. But to deny the social importance of such stances is to invite in destruction. The biggest lie out there is "multiculturalism", because cultures do not mix. They might be able to coexist in very limited natures, but they do not mix well. And what's more important is that most people do not understand what culture actually is, focusing solely on superfluous elements like food, dance, music, fashion, etc, and not the important elements like social structures, morality, justice, etc. And because of that shallow understanding of culture, so many are willing to let it go time and again under the delusion that you're being tolerant, or letting people who are antithetical to said culture into your spaces (Islam into Western Nations for a very clear cut example), or laying down and taking abusive structures that are imposed upon you by those looking to subjugate others.
Again, I'm not a fan of nationalism. But the alternative is far far worse.
What ground is left for you to stand on after all that? What do you like?
I don't need to like something to recognise that the alternative is far worse, or that cultures overwhelmingly don't mix. The "issue" (if you want to take it that far, which it isn't) is more the active nature that many nationalistic elements take. I'm also not a huge fan of how nationalism is often abused and deliberately muddled with state loyalty.
The ideal of nationalism versus the practice and application of nationalism are two different things, and while I'm not against the former, the latter is a bit more murkier. I'm not a fan of collectivism regardless of the collective, be it the communist variety or the nationalist variety (primarily ethno-nationalism). The collectivist nature is the element that I most struggle to find myself supporting. And maybe you'll find that makes me weak, or naively idealistic, or this, or that, and that's fine. I know that it's an area I haven't fully explored in myself, and know that there's some elements that don't robustly add up.
Because I'm not against the idea of immigration (presuming there is assimilation as opposed to the lie of multiculturalism). Isolationism isn't something I support either. But this globalist trajectory everything is heading towards is far, far worse than the negatives I see in either of those positions.
thanks to million years of collectivism, you can now navel gazing about the ills of collectivism, what a privilege.
Really. We want to go down a "muh privilege" route? And you're gonna wonder why I'm not a fan of collectivism, especially when you use it interchangeably to refer to association.