also, morals don't exist so your right on the money with that however... despite what i said earlier... some bad people in position of power like... kings, and rulers. would times use god or be fill in for gods who would unfairly rule over his subjects
Yes, they did. Tyrants are an effective source of absolute right and wrong. Backed with an army they are certainly capable of actualizing their moral system.
But as I said, they're not a reliable source. Not every tyrant is just, and even just tyrants are still mortal. They grow old and die (or, tbh, more often are killed).
Perhaps someday we'll make a machine that can be a perfect tyrant, and on that day god can retire. But frankly I think people like yourself will hate that even more than they hate god, because in that case you'll have a tangible target.
i can't say those same problems wouldn't have existed in a atheistic world
Of course you can't, because it's trivially obvious they would. People are going to do what they're going to do.
why is it their are wakes of bodies in this concept that is necessary for peoples well beings
Because we are selfish creatures living in a world of scarcity.
But the really bizarre people are the gaians. Those eco fascists who's standard of morality is that humans are all bad and everyone (except, conveniently, themselves) must die for the sake of nature.
I know enough of them to take them at face value that they do believe humans are a corrupting influence (that statement inof itself is generally true). But the common thing about them is that they all are either very dim people with NO practical knowledge of industry at all, or they're EXTREMELY intelligent people who are misanthropic idealists who know better but don't care. The former are annoying, the latter are dangerous.
Theodicy is the term for the concern you're expressing. It's the idea that since evil exists, God can't.
Huge numbers of books have been written on the topic. Trying to address it in an internet post is disrespectful to the scope of the issue.
I do not know a book title on the topic that would be most appropriate for you for a couple reasons: my older Brother is one of those people who refuses to believe in God because of theodicy, so I had to grapple with this from my earliest memories. I don't need to read on the topic as it's very simple to me. Second, I don't know your issues to know which author addresses them well.
I expect some authors suck and some are good, just like everything else. I also expect some books don't address your thoughts, and one (or more) really does. You could search reviews to find something appropriate.
Caveat: the crusades are a different topic entirely. People do stuff and have no bearing on God Himself. The crusades were basically the NATO of 1060 AD. They were fighting Muslims, and Europe had nothing to unite over, it was all little kingdoms and a few big ones. They had no military discipline, training, or logistics.
well theodicy wouldn't be my problem persay. if god didn't interfere with human affairs. if he existed and simply allowed shit to happen... i wouldn't be a christian persay... but i would probably believe and maybe even like god.
You're describing Deism. You've probably been taught that our founding fathers were Deists. Here's how simple it is to know that they were NOT: Deists of their day believed as you say, that God does not interfere in the affairs of men. That's all we know about it.
All our founding fathers prayed for God to give them victory in the Revolutionary War, and credited Him with it.
You probably want God to leave you alone so you can enjoy your sin? This is a pretty common notion, that God is this grumpy old dude that just wants to make sure we never have any fun.
Yes, they did. Tyrants are an effective source of absolute right and wrong. Backed with an army they are certainly capable of actualizing their moral system.
But as I said, they're not a reliable source. Not every tyrant is just, and even just tyrants are still mortal. They grow old and die (or, tbh, more often are killed).
Perhaps someday we'll make a machine that can be a perfect tyrant, and on that day god can retire. But frankly I think people like yourself will hate that even more than they hate god, because in that case you'll have a tangible target.
Of course you can't, because it's trivially obvious they would. People are going to do what they're going to do.
Because we are selfish creatures living in a world of scarcity.
But the really bizarre people are the gaians. Those eco fascists who's standard of morality is that humans are all bad and everyone (except, conveniently, themselves) must die for the sake of nature.
I know enough of them to take them at face value that they do believe humans are a corrupting influence (that statement inof itself is generally true). But the common thing about them is that they all are either very dim people with NO practical knowledge of industry at all, or they're EXTREMELY intelligent people who are misanthropic idealists who know better but don't care. The former are annoying, the latter are dangerous.
Theodicy is the term for the concern you're expressing. It's the idea that since evil exists, God can't.
Huge numbers of books have been written on the topic. Trying to address it in an internet post is disrespectful to the scope of the issue.
I do not know a book title on the topic that would be most appropriate for you for a couple reasons: my older Brother is one of those people who refuses to believe in God because of theodicy, so I had to grapple with this from my earliest memories. I don't need to read on the topic as it's very simple to me. Second, I don't know your issues to know which author addresses them well.
I expect some authors suck and some are good, just like everything else. I also expect some books don't address your thoughts, and one (or more) really does. You could search reviews to find something appropriate.
Caveat: the crusades are a different topic entirely. People do stuff and have no bearing on God Himself. The crusades were basically the NATO of 1060 AD. They were fighting Muslims, and Europe had nothing to unite over, it was all little kingdoms and a few big ones. They had no military discipline, training, or logistics.
You're describing Deism. You've probably been taught that our founding fathers were Deists. Here's how simple it is to know that they were NOT: Deists of their day believed as you say, that God does not interfere in the affairs of men. That's all we know about it.
All our founding fathers prayed for God to give them victory in the Revolutionary War, and credited Him with it.
You probably want God to leave you alone so you can enjoy your sin? This is a pretty common notion, that God is this grumpy old dude that just wants to make sure we never have any fun.