“What would be considered”. Sorry
I help out with the youth group at church and one of the students is in the 10th grade and he is pretty retro (loves movies and tv shows from the 80s and 90s). He used to be a big Star Wars fan and lost interest due to "disney making it a princess product" as he puts it. He was asking me the other day how did all this happen or when did it start, and I couldn't pinpoint an exact person who started this but had some ideas.
What did start it all? I know Ghostbusters 2016 seems to be the first movie to actively be made to piss off fans (when the original director was trying to do Ghostbusters 3 and they screwed him over). With Star Wars, if they wanted to appeal to actual women who were fans they could've used Jaina Solo or Mara Jade.
Was it in gaming? I remember when gaming magazines seemed to have constant articles about women in gaming or about the "abuse" they received online as if they have never heard the language you hear where guys get together and hang out.
Comic books? I mean they literally made comics of women sitting around the table discussing feelings and as Eric July said "modern comics are made for 14 year old girls on tumblr who don't read comics"
So honestly who is patient zero or who is to blame?
Buffy was the first overtly gurl power series for nerds. It was also one of the first IP centered about "subverting" expectations in an in-your-face way. Get it? Because blondes are dumb and useless in horror series but this one is strong and quipy. It also spawned the blight that's TV Tropes.
As for the troubled softboy nerd, The OC was one of the first series for teenage girls with one
I thought that show was popular along with Angel. I never saw it but I’ve considered binging it. Would probably skip over the lesbian parts
Oh. Ok. Like a Nora Robert’s novel
Angel's character was far deeper and dynamic in his own series than during his time on Buffy. Not that this should come as a total surprise, but the contrasting difference in how his character behaved was pretty stark.
Edit: I totally misread what you were replying to, but I still stand by my statement all the same. Additionally, Angel did probably have something of an equivalent following, but I'm pretty sure Buffy ended up with the larger numbers overall.
So they are both worth watching?
Even if the consequences of Joss Whedon's quippy writing style have ruined dialogue in movies and TV, yes, they're both really good shows.
Why would anyone in 2023 when everything is whedon, want to binge on whedon? Aren't you sick of it by now!?
I don't even want to rewatch firefly at this point, and that's just 12 eps and a film, not 12 seasons.
Can you imagine how much worse Buffy would be if it was written to 2023's standards instead of 1998's?