Government censorship and information control at unprecedented levels
Yes. It's still not 'genocide'.
I see you've looked up what samizdat means.
I'm not the one who can't produce any sources of information, because he hasn't read any. That would be you. In fact, 'samizdat' is basically the only thing you know about Russian history, and you've been repeating it because no one called you out on your BS. Not happening here.
You deny the fact that the bolsheviks sought to eradicate those they deemed 'old world' peoples
Basically no one tries to eradicate the people he rules over...
You've been desperately repeating their lies about their genocides.
OK, so you can't cite any 'praise'. Which shows that you were lying. Shocker. No one in his right mind would say that "the mass murders that the communists committed were not aimed at eradicating the Russian people, and therefore were not genocide against Russians" is praise, or even anything other than eminently sensible.
Unfortunately, I think it was very long time ago that you were in your right mind, if ever.
Either you lack actual reading comprehension,
No defense of your troon-like claim to be 'invalidated' when someone disagrees with you.
You didn't create this forum, you fraud.
LOL. I see there are some very unpleasant truths you will have to confront at some point.
You demanded 'sources' like a whiny predditor
Imagine that, someone claims to know a Great Deal about Russia, and you ask him... where he got all that knowledge. Apparently, it was an Ouija Board. Questioning your Ouija Board makes someone a Predditor.
regarding the well-documented genocides carried out by the bolsheviks.
Well-documented, you say? Produce the documents then.
When I refused to comply with your dishonest demands
Yes, you said that mentioning books here would result in them getting banned. So on the one hand, your claims are "well-documented" and believed by everyone except communists, but on the other hand, as much as mentioning those great sources of yours (blog posts) will result in them getting banned.
And here you are, confirming what I said with your continued ignorance of world history.
What counts as 'ignorance of world history'? Here's another question you'll not be able to answer. Quick, talk about Reddit again to try to save face!
I dared to say what you ignorant communists refuse to acknowledge; that not all ukrainians are nazis
I said that in the very post you were quoting. Obviously, not all Ukrainians are Nazis. Or even most. But it has a serious Nazi problem, and specifically the people who brand the Holodomor as a genocide are Ukrainian nationalists with... spicy ideologies. Of course, that does not automatically make them wrong, but it does explain why they would make such claims. Many of them to cover their own misdeeds.
Play ignorant all you want, commie shill.
OK, so you can't name a single thing that was made up.
Nice bait, commie.
You're still keeping secret where you got this great wisdom of yours.
You're the type to tell those deemed "undesirables" by the state in nazi germany that zyklon-b is safe and effective,
THEY'RE ON TO ME! SHUT IT DOWN!
Not really surprising, since you communists tried to change change the very definition of genocide so as to exclude bolshevik leaders.
Say, what is the definition of genocide? NO DEFINITIONS ARE A COMMIE CONSPIRACY. Alright.
See? You're the one trying to PR facelift genocidal regimes. Not me.
Providing a more nuanced understanding of murderous regime is not 'doing PR'. I can refer you to books, which you of course will not read, that paint Hitler and the Nazis in a more favorable light. It is not difficult, considering that the popular image of Nazis is "pure evil". Because history is complex and nuanced. Everyone in history did good things and bad things. It's just that for the Nazis and the Bolsheviks, the bad grossly outweighed such good as they did.
I don't need to show you my sources
Yes, cause you don't have any.
No matter how much insults you come up with, I will not break.
Apparently, you'll not stop flattering yourself either.
You deem facts that you want silenced 'autistic screeching'.
There are intelligent anti-communists. Robert Conquest is one. You are not one.
Oh look, now you can dictate who's american and who's not. Amazing.
Observing is not dictating.
And where I get my knowledge is clearly none of your business
The entire historical enterprise rests on sources. Of course everyone expects you to back up your claims. Otherwise, it's just a cripple fight (which this is).
since you've demonstrated an eagerness to silence any facts
What better way to SMASH THE BAD COMMIE than by presenting those very intelligent sources that you definitely have. Grandma, you sure are merciful in not SMASHING THE BAD COMMIE.
And that's all you have, because the moment you started using personal attacks, I knew rule 7 [Remember they’re all under 5’5”, have rolls of fat, live in a literal pigsty, and parrot every corporate lie ever. Point this out when they get personal.] applies to you.
You've got to tell yourself that, to try to salvage at least some face.
Whataboutism
Funny how you cite the non-argument most cited by defenders of the US empire.
Empire simp: "Muh Russher invaded a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY."
Normal person: "Eh, do you mean like the US in Iraq?"
Empire simp: "WHATABOUTISM!"
All I said was that not all ukrainians are nazis and this is where you end up.
OK, and water is wet.
You were the one who decided cultural erasure was not a part of genocide
It's part of genocide, but it certainly isn't sufficient for genocide.
to shore up your own feeble claims that the bolsheviks didn't commit genocide against the russian people.
White people. That is the claim you're defending.
Not everyone here is like you
No one here is like me. There are no men like me, only me. I meant in the so called real world.
[Are you actually arguing that the goal of the Bolsheviks was exterminatng white people?] Your continued display of ignorance regarding the writings of Karl and Engels
OK, so Mr. Genius is now arguing that the goal of Marx and Engels was 'exterminating white people'.
See? Your point is that anyone who dares to go against communist censorship is retarded.
What's "to go against"? Use retarded labels that have nothing to do with censorship? Yes.
The ones who have experienced it wrote of it as a genocide and worse.
Name ten. Or is that a secret as well?
Nice backpedal, but communists will always "dispute" their own crimes.
I said 'can be disputed', not has been disputed.
It is beautiful to see how your kind still seethe against the one nation that managed to hold out against communist occupation this long, though.
Ukraine?
It's called self-respect
You clearly have none. How could you have any? Your sperging all rests on "MY SOURCES ARE SUPER DUPER SECRET", which is because you know that you have nothing with which to back up your BS. That is why you invent hilarious excuses like... posting your sources here will get those books banned.
Then, you had the gall to claim that the only people talking about bolshevik genocides are 'ukrainian ultranationalists'.
Basically. Not you though. They accuse them of 'genocide against Ukrainians'. You accuse them of genocide against Russians. That's just stupid.
Still part of genocide and eradication of those they deemed "undesirables". Seethe more, commie.
I'm not the one who can't produce any sources of information, because he hasn't read any. That would be you. In fact, 'samizdat' is basically the only thing you know about Russian history, and you've been repeating it because no one called you out on your BS. Not happening here.
Cope and seethe. No one's called me out because there's nothing for them to disagree on. You were simply upset that someone stood up against your lies.
The only thing you've done so far is destroy your own arguments and throw insults, commie. You didn't call anything out - but you did demonstrate your own ignorance of world history. Congratulations, you dim-witted dumbfuck.
Basically no one tries to eradicate the people he rules over...
Another lie.
You have no idea how communist regimes following the writings of Marx and Engels do things, then.
OK, so you can't cite any 'praise'. Which shows that you were lying.
I don't have to cite your own words. They're damning enough as it is.
Shocker. No one in his right mind would say that "the mass murders that the communists committed were not aimed at eradicating the Russian people, and therefore were not genocide against Russians" is praise, or even anything other than eminently sensible.
You're trying pretty hard to divert from the fact that you've been desperately repeating bolshevik talking points when it came to covering up the genocide of the russian people.
Commie simp.
Unfortunately, I think it was very long time ago that you were in your right mind, if ever.
You're repeating the post-WWII soviet 'our genocide is not genocide' lie, commie. But hey, your kind cannot think.
No defense of your troon-like claim to be 'invalidated' when someone disagrees with you.
You're a terminally-retarded imbecile if your reading comprehension is this low.
LOL. I see there are some very unpleasant truths you will have to confront at some point.
Yeah, I bet your uncle works at nintendo. Go beg him to ban my game boy color or something. Oh wait, you can't. Because you're a fraud, a liar and a commie.
You wish you ran this joint though, although you never will. Cry about it, commie.
Imagine that, someone claims to know a Great Deal about Russia, and you ask him... where he got all that knowledge. Apparently, it was an Ouija Board. Questioning your Ouija Board makes someone a Predditor.
You're just mad because all your dirty commie tricks are being ignored. Seethe and cope, predditor filth.
Well-documented, you say? Produce the documents then.
So you can burn them? Hahahaha, no.
Yes, you said that mentioning books here would result in them getting banned. So on the one hand, your claims are "well-documented" and believed by everyone except communists, but on the other hand, as much as mentioning those great sources of yours (blog posts) will result in them getting banned.
You deny that, but that's how you communists have always silenced your critics.
What counts as 'ignorance of world history'? Here's another question you'll not be able to answer. Quick, talk about Reddit again to try to save face!
Clever bait, but you've already demonstrated an ignorance of world history. As expected of an ignorant communist shill.
I said that in the very post you were quoting. Obviously, not all Ukrainians are Nazis. Or even most. But it has a serious Nazi problem, and specifically the people who brand the Holodomor as a genocide are Ukrainian nationalists with... spicy ideologies. Of course, that does not automatically make them wrong, but it does explain why they would make such claims. Many of them to cover their own misdeeds.
That's a lot of words to try and avoid the fact you brought up Ukraine out of nowhere to try and insult me. Backpedal even harder, commie.
OK, so you can't name a single thing that was made up.
Sure I can. I just don't need to because you're the one making things up.
You're still keeping secret where you got this great wisdom of yours.
Of course. You're an ignorant commie's useful idiot. You cannot comprehend what life is like under communist rule.
THEY'RE ON TO ME! SHUT IT DOWN!
You can't shut down this site either, commie. Although yes, it fits the behavior patterns of your kind - communists always seek to shut down anything and anyone that questions their narrative.
Stay mad.
Say, what is the definition of genocide? NO DEFINITIONS ARE A COMMIE CONSPIRACY. Alright.
You commies changed the definition of genocide after the end of world war 2 to exclude yourselves. A dirty trick, but it's one often used by communists since then.
Providing a more nuanced understanding of murderous regime is not 'doing PR'. I can refer you to books, which you of course will not read
I guess these books dont exist either, commie.
that paint Hitler and the Nazis in a more favorable light. It is not difficult, considering that the popular image of Nazis is "pure evil". Because history is complex and nuanced. Everyone in history did good things and bad things. It's just that for the Nazis and the Bolsheviks, the bad grossly outweighed such good as they did.
"muh context!" Of course, when your side commits genocide, its 'muh context and nuance!', predditor scum.
Hahahaha no, no one's falling for that lie.
Yes, cause you don't have any.
I have plenty. I'm just not going to share it with you.
Apparently, you'll not stop flattering yourself either.
Stay mad. I respect myself enough not to cooperate with a communist worm like you. That's the sort of human spirit you communist scumbags seek to stomp out of your victims.
There are intelligent anti-communists. Robert Conquest is one. You are not one.
You're just mad because I refuse to break my sources. Your pathetic peer pressure tactics only make me laugh.
Observing is not dictating.
Ha, you were the one who claimed I was an American. Your observation skills suck, you inbred dreg in the gene pool of all humanity.
The entire historical enterprise rests on sources. Of course everyone expects you to back up your claims. Otherwise, it's just a cripple fight (which this is).
I don't need to share sources with you historical revisionists.
What better way to SMASH THE BAD COMMIE than by presenting those very intelligent sources that you definitely have. Grandma, you sure are merciful in not SMASHING THE BAD COMMIE
I see you haven't witnessed (or perhaps you have, and are trying to memoryhole that) the communist speedrun of 2020, you dishonest shitwad. I don't really need to smash anyone - communists tend to destroy themselves once they run out of funding.
Nice attempt at trying to get me to commit violence, though, glowfag. You suck at that too. You will never get anyone in this community to commit a mass shooting. Cry about it.
You've got to tell yourself that, to try to salvage at least some face.
Oh look, communist interrogation tactic #に: social shaming of the imaginary kind. Hahaha, you are a fool if you think that will work on me.
Funny how you cite the non-argument most cited by defenders of the US empire.
Nice whataboutism, commie. But there is no US empire; just another country slowly succumbing to communist occupation.
All I said was that not all ukrainians are nazis and this is where you end up.
OK, and water is wet.
Which goes against your original claim that me saying that not all ukrainians are nazis somehow makes me pro-ukraine.
But you're too much of a cretin to even admit that.
It's part of genocide
There you go.
but it certainly isn't sufficient for genocide.
Unfortunately for you, the soviet authorities demanded a change in the definition of genocide to exclude their own actions. That's the reason why you desperately claim that the bolsheviks did not commit genocide; you know that they did, and must hide that fact. If it became widespread knowledge that you commies managed to commit genocide on a greater scale than nazi germany, then yes - your ideology would be decimated and shunned to death.
It's your neck on the line when that lie finally collapses, commie.
White people. That is the claim you're defending.
You're trying pretty hard to deny the ethnic identity of the russian peoples, you dishonest communist shill.
No one here is like me. There are no men like me, only me. I meant in the so called real world.
Of course, no one here is a disgusting, dishonest communist like you. You're a pathetic shill that's STILL mad about how the communist genocides simply wont stay buried, no matter how hard you claim that the ideology is 'dead' and scream down any sort of discussion of bolsheviks and their genocides.
OK, so Mr. Genius is now arguing that the goal of Marx and Engels was 'exterminating white people'.
Your ignorance of the baseline behavior of all communist regimes is fascinating. Truly, you are a useful idiot.
What's "to go against"? Use retarded labels that have nothing to do with censorship? Yes.
Another lie. Now you're claiming that samizdat emerged for no reason.
Name ten. Or is that a secret as well?
And have your kind haul them off to the gulags? Hah, you're a single-digit IQ subhuman retard if you think I'll tell you even one.
I said 'can be disputed', not has been disputed.
Nice backpedal, commie. But I know your kind has been doing PR facelifts for the Khmer Rouge too.
You're the Paul Revere of non-existent genocides.
It is beautiful to see how your kind still seethe against the one nation that managed to hold out against communist occupation this long, though.
Ukraine?
You're pretty desperate to twist everything I say to Ukraine, aren't you?
Two things wrong with your idiotic reply, though.
Paul Revere isn't Ukrainian.
Ukraine isn't occupied.
Of course, your obsession marks your desperation to mark all conversation of communist-run genocides as 'autistic screeching' by 'ukrainian ultranationalists'.
Too bad, commie. It won't work.
You clearly have none. How could you have any? Your sperging all rests on "MY SOURCES ARE SUPER DUPER SECRET", which is because you know that you have nothing with which to back up your BS. That is why you invent hilarious excuses like... posting your sources here will get those books banned.
Another lie. My response to you has been 'hahaha communist, I won't tell you what my sources are' and you've tried every struggle session tactic you've been taught, only to fail hilariously each and every time.
I revel in your desperate screeching.
Basically. Not you though. They accuse them of 'genocide against Ukrainians'. You accuse them of genocide against Russians. That's just stupid.
Typical communist lies. I wasn't talking about Ukraine in the first place. You brought that up to try and shame me into silence. Too bad, that didn't work either.
Your argument is what's stupid. After all, you ignore the fact the bolsheviks committed the holomodor because it's an inconvenient fact for you commies, and I've seen the convoluted levels of mental gymnastics you go to try and PR facelift that. Of course, it's what I'd expect from an ignorant moron such as yourself.
Still part of genocide and eradication of those they deemed "undesirables"
Like literally every regime.
Cope and seethe
"Seethe" and "commie" seem to be the only words you know. Sort of like racist and bigot to a leftist.
No one's called me out because there's nothing for them to disagree on
You generally make the claim that censorship is genocide to people who have logical faculties and who know anything about Russian history?
you did demonstrate your own ignorance of world history
Clever bait, but you've already demonstrated an ignorance of world history. As expected of an ignorant communist shill.
You asserted that earlier and were then unable to show anything of the sort, so congrats.
You have no idea how communist regimes following the writings of Marx and Engels do things, then.
They certainly weren't intentionally eradicating the entire people. The political opposition, real and imagined, yes. But it's foolhardy to try to kill your own population.
I don't have to cite your own words. They're damning enough as it is.
You claim praise and then can't cite a single instance. Great job!
You're trying pretty hard to divert from the fact that you've been desperately repeating bolshevik talking points when it came to covering up the genocide of the russian people.
Non sequitur.
You're a terminally-retarded imbecile if your reading comprehension is this low.
It's funny that you've been reduced to just insulting. Not even an attempt to write an argument. Nor to defend how you embarrassed yourself by saying that you were 'invalidated' by disagreement.
You're just mad because all your dirty commie tricks are being ignored. Seethe and cope, predditor filth.
I'm "mad" that you're embarrassing yourself even further by being unable to produce even a shred of evidence for any of your claims.
So you can burn them? Hahahaha, no.
You do know that documents can't be burned over the internet, right? You just have none, despite claiming that your idiocy is 'well-documented'.
You deny that, but that's how you communists have always silenced your critics.
So why are they not banning those great works right now? Are they waiting for me to give the signal? Give it a rest. You can't produce any substantiation for your claims, because you have none.
That's a lot of words to try and avoid the fact you brought up Ukraine out of nowhere to try and insult me
Yup, because you were echoing ultranationalist Ukrainian claims of 'genocide'.
Sure I can. I just don't need to because you're the one making things up.
Actually, when you claim someone is making things up, you do have to point out what. I'm sorry to break the news. You are not very smart.
You commies changed the definition of genocide after the end of world war 2 to exclude yourselves. A dirty trick, but it's one often used by communists since then.
OK, so what was 'the definition' before and after?
"muh context!" Of course, when your side commits genocide, its 'muh context and nuance!', predditor scum.
Sorry, you're just a retard, and the only reason I'm conversing with you at all is because you amuse me.
I have plenty. I'm just not going to share it with you.
It's like a kid thinking that people will believe him over their lying eyes.
That's the sort of human spirit you communist scumbags seek to stomp out of your victims.
You come across as pretty sad, angry and pathetic...
You're just mad because I refuse to break my sources.
Naming sources 'breaks' them? Huh.
Ha, you were the one who claimed I was an American.
You sure sound crazy enough to be one.
I don't need to share sources with you historical revisionists.
Cause you have none.
I see you haven't witnessed (or perhaps you have, and are trying to memoryhole that) the communist speedrun of 2020
See, you just call everything you don't like "communist".
Nice attempt at trying to get me to commit violence
It's metaphorical... though I appreciate that you're not a glowie.
But there is no US empire; just another country slowly succumbing to communist occupation.
So why are you defending the empire?
Which goes against your original claim that me saying that not all ukrainians are nazis somehow makes me pro-ukraine.
That wasn't my claim... which is why, like all your other claims, you can cite nothing in support of it. Do you really think anyone believes that all people in a given country (or in this case non-country) are Nazis? Such uniformity simply doesn't exist.
Unfortunately for you, the soviet authorities demanded a change in the definition of genocide to exclude their own actions.
When did that happen? And who decides on 'the' definition of genocide?
If it became widespread knowledge that you commies managed to commit genocide on a greater scale than nazi germany, then yes - your ideology would be decimated and shunned to death.
Nazi Germany is not despised because of "genocide" or other such silliness (which no one cares about, see the fate of the Armenians in 1915 and 2023), it's despised because it lost. Had it been victorious, most people would now be praising the Nazis. If Stalin had lost, he and the Bolshies would be as despised as the Nazis are now.
You're trying pretty hard to deny the ethnic identity of the russian peoples, you dishonest communist shill.
Their ethnicity is 'Russian'. But they were not targeted on that basis, nor being white. So no genocide, you dishonest Blogist shill.
Your ignorance of the baseline behavior of all communist regimes is fascinating. Truly, you are a useful idiot.
Marx and Engels did not run a communist regime, and it's noted that you did not show how they called for 'exterminating white people'...
You are ridiculous.
Another lie. Now you're claiming that samizdat emerged for no reason.
That's not what it says. Can you even read?
And have your kind haul them off to the gulags?
I like how you think that no one knows these people, no one has ever heard of any books, and that even speaking their name will immediately lead to GULAGS and BOOK BANNINGS. Not sure who you expect to believe this.
Paul Revere isn't Ukrainian.
NO WAY. I had no idea.
Ukraine isn't occupied.
A lot of retards claim it was until 1991...
My response to you has been 'hahaha communist, I won't tell you what my sources are' and you've tried every struggle session tactic you've been taught, only to fail hilariously each and every time.
Cause your "sources" are non-existent, like your intelligence... All your desperate attempts to explain why your "sources" are mega duper secret were ridiculous, much like you yourself are.
After all, you ignore the fact the bolsheviks committed the holomodor because it's an inconvenient fact for you commies
I suggest that you search for the name 'Walter Duranty'... and look at who posted those threads.
This coming from the same communist PR rep that claimed "Basically no one tries to eradicate the people he rules over...", that's rich. See, there's this bit about your kind I've learned. When you commie shills start using 'literally', that's a marker that your kind are being dishonest.
Nice try, but your argument falls flat when not every government in the world engaged in ethnic cleansing to get rid of undesirables. A nice lie to try and normalize genocide though, commie.
"Seethe" and "commie" seem to be the only words you know. Sort of like racist and bigot to a leftist.
That's because you've been ignoring everything I said thus far and nitpicking everything. Calling a spade a spade isn't a crime, you marxist piece of trash. Seethe, commie.
You generally make the claim that censorship is genocide to people who have logical faculties and who know anything about Russian history?
That's your claim, you dishonest commie propaganda mouthpiece, not mine. Stop twisting my words to try and silence conversation on your owners, "stalwart".
You asserted that earlier and were then unable to show anything of the sort, so congrats.
Your own posts are all that's needed to incriminate you.
They certainly weren't intentionally eradicating the entire people.
Oh so now its an unintentional genocide now that your bolshevik masters were caught. You communists are far worse than the nazis.
The political opposition, real and imagined, yes. But it's foolhardy to try to kill your own population.
The hubris of communism is not 'foolhardy', implying that it was made in error - it is completely intentional. And you're an absolute sleazebag for claiming that entire classes of people deemed "undesirables" by the communists are 'political opposition'.
You claim praise and then can't cite a single instance. Great job!
Says the commie PR shill.
You're trying pretty hard to divert from the fact that you've been desperately repeating bolshevik talking points when it came to covering up the genocide of the russian people.
Non sequitur.
A non sequitur is a statement that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, you faux intellectual. And trying to talk your way out of even acknowledging the genocides committed by bolsheviks is what you've been trying to do this whole time.
Typical of your kind to completely deny the crimes of your fellow bolsheviks.
It's funny that you've been reduced to just insulting. Not even an attempt to write an argument.
Says the commie cocksucker who's been repeatedly insulting me due to the fact you cannot respond to my arguments from the very start. What's the matter? You can dish it out, but you can't take it? Well whaddya know, you're a whiny, crybaby bitch and you deserve every insult.
Nor to defend how you embarrassed yourself by saying that you were 'invalidated' by disagreement.
I didn't embarrass myself - that whole thing is something you made up to try and derail what I had to say. Sucks to be you, that didn't work out either.
I'm "mad" that you're embarrassing yourself even further by being unable to produce even a shred of evidence for any of your claims.
Why not? You're just gonna run back to your demcast owners and try and censor anyone I cite, communist pig. I know your kind.
You do know that documents can't be burned over the internet, right? You just have none, despite claiming that your idiocy is 'well-documented'.
Your kind has infested and destroyed entire communities, websites and services for having information and discussion inconvenient to bolshevik narratives. Don't try to play dumb, you disgusting swine.
So why are they not banning those great works right now? Are they waiting for me to give the signal? Give it a rest. You can't produce any substantiation for your claims, because you have none.
See? Others have corroborated my argument despite how hard you claim my sources don't exist. You're just trying to silence anyone who speaks about it. You can whine about it if you want.
Yup, because you were echoing ultranationalist Ukrainian claims of 'genocide'.
And there you go calling every historian who dared to speak against bolshevik genocides 'ukrainian ultranationalists', you bolshevik vermin.
Actually, when you claim someone is making things up, you do have to point out what. I'm sorry to break the news. You are not very smart.
Says the drooling retard who runs PR for commies, unaware that they always kill the useful idiots first.
OK, so what was 'the definition' before and after?
The way you frame 'the definition' in quotes already tells me you're ready to suck up to the bolsheviks and argue in their favor.
Sorry, you're just a retard, and the only reason I'm conversing with you at all is because you amuse me.
Ha, don't lie. You're just here because you've lost too much social credit points and if you run now, your fellow commies are going to put you through a beating for 'suspected cowardice'.
You come across as pretty sad, angry and pathetic...
You're just saying that because I refuse to submit to your struggle session tactics, you pile of cockroach dirt.
Naming sources 'breaks' them? Huh.
It's a figure of speech. Oh wait, you communist bastards always silence the witnesses to your crimes.
You sure sound crazy enough to be one.
You're just mad that it took this long for you communists to infest the USA.
Cause you have none.
You corroborated my argument. Backpedaling in the span of a single post? That's almost impressive. Almost.
See, you just call everything you don't like "communist".
That's what they called themselves, you historical revisionist.
It's metaphorical... though I appreciate that you're not a glowie.
"Its metaphorical"? That's what you say in court after luring randoms into committing violence, huh?
But there is no US empire; just another country slowly succumbing to communist occupation.
So why are you defending the empire?
Project harder, fucktard.
Also nice whataboutism, commie.
Which goes against your original claim that me saying that not all ukrainians are nazis somehow makes me pro-ukraine.
That wasn't my claim...
You commies can't go without lying at all, can you? That IS your claim. Just look at this thread.
which is why, like all your other claims, you can cite nothing in support of it. Do you really think anyone believes that all people in a given country (or in this case non-country) are Nazis? Such uniformity simply doesn't exist.
That 'uniformity' was something you pushed to silence any talk of genocide committed by bolsheviks, commie. Do you have the memory span of a fucking goldfish, you subhuman snotgobbler?
When did that happen? And who decides on 'the' definition of genocide?
Thank you for YET another demonstration of ignorance regarding bolshevik behavior in the early 20th century.
Nazi Germany is not despised because of "genocide" or other such silliness (which no one cares about, see the fate of the Armenians in 1915 and 2023), it's despised because it lost.
Nah. They lost and are despised because of their own idiotic policies that put them on a collapse course that would have happened even if WW2 never happened. Of course, those same policies were adapted in communist regimes, and you have to cover that up, commie.
It won't work.
By the way, just because you don't care about the Armenian genocide doesn't mean no one else cares. That's the sort of wretched dishonesty I've come to expect from your kind.
Had it been victorious, most people would now be praising the Nazis. If Stalin had lost, he and the Bolshies would be as despised as the Nazis are now.
More dishonest takes. Communists were successful in taking over several countries, but they were not praised. If anything, their obsession with exterminating those who they deemed "undesirables" made them even more hated when the purity spiral hit.
And there you go sinking your own lie that communism is a 'dead and gone' ideology. Congratulations.
Their ethnicity is 'Russian'. But they were not targeted on that basis, nor being white. So no genocide, you dishonest Blogist shill.
There is no ethnicity called 'russian', you dishonest chucklefuck.
They were targeted for genocide because they were "undesirables" to the bolsheviks. They were not political opposition like you falsely claimed, commie.
Marx and Engels did not run a communist regime, and it's noted that you did not show how they called for 'exterminating white people'.
They laid the foundations of how communist regimes should be run, and if you knew anything about marxist ideologies, you'd know what I was talking about. Of course, you know - and you cover up for them.
You are ridiculous.
To a commie, anyone who dares speak about their crimes is ridiculous. I savor your desperate screeching, maggot.
That's not what it says. Can you even read?
Why don't you backpedal your way across the Nile and whine a little more?
I like how you think that no one knows these people, no one has ever heard of any books,
Another lie. Why do you insist on dictating what I should think when you have no capacity to think at all?
and that even speaking their name will immediately lead to GULAGS and BOOK BANNINGS. Not sure who you expect to believe this.
That's how your kind has always acted. And continue to act even now.
NO WAY. I had no idea.
Don't lie, you crayon-fucking commie shill. You knew. You just had to direct attention away from bolshevik genocides by constantly bringing up Ukraine... and you fail at that too.
A lot of retards claim it was until 1991...
Paul Revere was long gone in 1991. See, that's how I know you're a deceit-laden communist propaganda mouthpiece that engages in constant historical revisionism.
Cause your "sources" are non-existent, like your intelligence... All your desperate attempts to explain why your "sources" are mega duper secret were ridiculous, much like you yourself are.
Another lie. I've seen how you treat anyone who disagrees with you, how you dehumanize them and their words simply because they speak a truth that you must slander and silence by any means necessary. You're an unbelievably stupid shitsack if you think I'll just let you dehumanize the people who have spoken out against bolshevik genocides.
Still, it's funny when you've accidentally mentioned some of my sources every now and then in the past, destroying your claim that my sources are non-existent. I suppose its a mistake on your behalf. How much social credit points will you lose for that?
I suggest that you search for the name 'Walter Duranty'... and look at who posted those threads.
I see you have the veneer of someone that tries to belong in this community - but get a thread going this far where a regular skim fails to perceive, and you turn out to be this disgusting communist shill that must downplay communist censorship, genocide and worse - all the while you hypocritically whine about the 'US Empire', ignoring the fact that it too, was the result of communist infestation.
Yes. It's still not 'genocide'.
I'm not the one who can't produce any sources of information, because he hasn't read any. That would be you. In fact, 'samizdat' is basically the only thing you know about Russian history, and you've been repeating it because no one called you out on your BS. Not happening here.
Basically no one tries to eradicate the people he rules over...
OK, so you can't cite any 'praise'. Which shows that you were lying. Shocker. No one in his right mind would say that "the mass murders that the communists committed were not aimed at eradicating the Russian people, and therefore were not genocide against Russians" is praise, or even anything other than eminently sensible.
Unfortunately, I think it was very long time ago that you were in your right mind, if ever.
No defense of your troon-like claim to be 'invalidated' when someone disagrees with you.
LOL. I see there are some very unpleasant truths you will have to confront at some point.
Imagine that, someone claims to know a Great Deal about Russia, and you ask him... where he got all that knowledge. Apparently, it was an Ouija Board. Questioning your Ouija Board makes someone a Predditor.
Well-documented, you say? Produce the documents then.
Yes, you said that mentioning books here would result in them getting banned. So on the one hand, your claims are "well-documented" and believed by everyone except communists, but on the other hand, as much as mentioning those great sources of yours (blog posts) will result in them getting banned.
What counts as 'ignorance of world history'? Here's another question you'll not be able to answer. Quick, talk about Reddit again to try to save face!
I said that in the very post you were quoting. Obviously, not all Ukrainians are Nazis. Or even most. But it has a serious Nazi problem, and specifically the people who brand the Holodomor as a genocide are Ukrainian nationalists with... spicy ideologies. Of course, that does not automatically make them wrong, but it does explain why they would make such claims. Many of them to cover their own misdeeds.
OK, so you can't name a single thing that was made up.
You're still keeping secret where you got this great wisdom of yours.
THEY'RE ON TO ME! SHUT IT DOWN!
Say, what is the definition of genocide? NO DEFINITIONS ARE A COMMIE CONSPIRACY. Alright.
Providing a more nuanced understanding of murderous regime is not 'doing PR'. I can refer you to books, which you of course will not read, that paint Hitler and the Nazis in a more favorable light. It is not difficult, considering that the popular image of Nazis is "pure evil". Because history is complex and nuanced. Everyone in history did good things and bad things. It's just that for the Nazis and the Bolsheviks, the bad grossly outweighed such good as they did.
Yes, cause you don't have any.
Apparently, you'll not stop flattering yourself either.
There are intelligent anti-communists. Robert Conquest is one. You are not one.
Observing is not dictating.
The entire historical enterprise rests on sources. Of course everyone expects you to back up your claims. Otherwise, it's just a cripple fight (which this is).
What better way to SMASH THE BAD COMMIE than by presenting those very intelligent sources that you definitely have. Grandma, you sure are merciful in not SMASHING THE BAD COMMIE.
You've got to tell yourself that, to try to salvage at least some face.
Funny how you cite the non-argument most cited by defenders of the US empire.
Empire simp: "Muh Russher invaded a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY."
Normal person: "Eh, do you mean like the US in Iraq?"
Empire simp: "WHATABOUTISM!"
OK, and water is wet.
It's part of genocide, but it certainly isn't sufficient for genocide.
White people. That is the claim you're defending.
No one here is like me. There are no men like me, only me. I meant in the so called real world.
OK, so Mr. Genius is now arguing that the goal of Marx and Engels was 'exterminating white people'.
What's "to go against"? Use retarded labels that have nothing to do with censorship? Yes.
Name ten. Or is that a secret as well?
I said 'can be disputed', not has been disputed.
Ukraine?
You clearly have none. How could you have any? Your sperging all rests on "MY SOURCES ARE SUPER DUPER SECRET", which is because you know that you have nothing with which to back up your BS. That is why you invent hilarious excuses like... posting your sources here will get those books banned.
Basically. Not you though. They accuse them of 'genocide against Ukrainians'. You accuse them of genocide against Russians. That's just stupid.
Still part of genocide and eradication of those they deemed "undesirables". Seethe more, commie.
Cope and seethe. No one's called me out because there's nothing for them to disagree on. You were simply upset that someone stood up against your lies.
The only thing you've done so far is destroy your own arguments and throw insults, commie. You didn't call anything out - but you did demonstrate your own ignorance of world history. Congratulations, you dim-witted dumbfuck.
Another lie.
You have no idea how communist regimes following the writings of Marx and Engels do things, then.
I don't have to cite your own words. They're damning enough as it is.
You're trying pretty hard to divert from the fact that you've been desperately repeating bolshevik talking points when it came to covering up the genocide of the russian people.
Commie simp.
You're repeating the post-WWII soviet 'our genocide is not genocide' lie, commie. But hey, your kind cannot think.
You're a terminally-retarded imbecile if your reading comprehension is this low.
Yeah, I bet your uncle works at nintendo. Go beg him to ban my game boy color or something. Oh wait, you can't. Because you're a fraud, a liar and a commie.
You wish you ran this joint though, although you never will. Cry about it, commie.
You're just mad because all your dirty commie tricks are being ignored. Seethe and cope, predditor filth.
So you can burn them? Hahahaha, no.
You deny that, but that's how you communists have always silenced your critics.
Clever bait, but you've already demonstrated an ignorance of world history. As expected of an ignorant communist shill.
That's a lot of words to try and avoid the fact you brought up Ukraine out of nowhere to try and insult me. Backpedal even harder, commie.
Sure I can. I just don't need to because you're the one making things up.
Of course. You're an ignorant commie's useful idiot. You cannot comprehend what life is like under communist rule.
You can't shut down this site either, commie. Although yes, it fits the behavior patterns of your kind - communists always seek to shut down anything and anyone that questions their narrative.
Stay mad.
You commies changed the definition of genocide after the end of world war 2 to exclude yourselves. A dirty trick, but it's one often used by communists since then.
I guess these books dont exist either, commie.
"muh context!" Of course, when your side commits genocide, its 'muh context and nuance!', predditor scum.
Hahahaha no, no one's falling for that lie.
I have plenty. I'm just not going to share it with you.
Stay mad. I respect myself enough not to cooperate with a communist worm like you. That's the sort of human spirit you communist scumbags seek to stomp out of your victims.
You're just mad because I refuse to break my sources. Your pathetic peer pressure tactics only make me laugh.
Ha, you were the one who claimed I was an American. Your observation skills suck, you inbred dreg in the gene pool of all humanity.
I don't need to share sources with you historical revisionists.
I see you haven't witnessed (or perhaps you have, and are trying to memoryhole that) the communist speedrun of 2020, you dishonest shitwad. I don't really need to smash anyone - communists tend to destroy themselves once they run out of funding.
Nice attempt at trying to get me to commit violence, though, glowfag. You suck at that too. You will never get anyone in this community to commit a mass shooting. Cry about it.
Oh look, communist interrogation tactic #に: social shaming of the imaginary kind. Hahaha, you are a fool if you think that will work on me.
Nice whataboutism, commie. But there is no US empire; just another country slowly succumbing to communist occupation.
Which goes against your original claim that me saying that not all ukrainians are nazis somehow makes me pro-ukraine.
But you're too much of a cretin to even admit that.
There you go.
Unfortunately for you, the soviet authorities demanded a change in the definition of genocide to exclude their own actions. That's the reason why you desperately claim that the bolsheviks did not commit genocide; you know that they did, and must hide that fact. If it became widespread knowledge that you commies managed to commit genocide on a greater scale than nazi germany, then yes - your ideology would be decimated and shunned to death.
It's your neck on the line when that lie finally collapses, commie.
You're trying pretty hard to deny the ethnic identity of the russian peoples, you dishonest communist shill.
Of course, no one here is a disgusting, dishonest communist like you. You're a pathetic shill that's STILL mad about how the communist genocides simply wont stay buried, no matter how hard you claim that the ideology is 'dead' and scream down any sort of discussion of bolsheviks and their genocides.
Your ignorance of the baseline behavior of all communist regimes is fascinating. Truly, you are a useful idiot.
Another lie. Now you're claiming that samizdat emerged for no reason.
And have your kind haul them off to the gulags? Hah, you're a single-digit IQ subhuman retard if you think I'll tell you even one.
Nice backpedal, commie. But I know your kind has been doing PR facelifts for the Khmer Rouge too.
You're pretty desperate to twist everything I say to Ukraine, aren't you?
Two things wrong with your idiotic reply, though.
Paul Revere isn't Ukrainian.
Ukraine isn't occupied.
Of course, your obsession marks your desperation to mark all conversation of communist-run genocides as 'autistic screeching' by 'ukrainian ultranationalists'.
Too bad, commie. It won't work.
Another lie. My response to you has been 'hahaha communist, I won't tell you what my sources are' and you've tried every struggle session tactic you've been taught, only to fail hilariously each and every time.
I revel in your desperate screeching.
Typical communist lies. I wasn't talking about Ukraine in the first place. You brought that up to try and shame me into silence. Too bad, that didn't work either.
Your argument is what's stupid. After all, you ignore the fact the bolsheviks committed the holomodor because it's an inconvenient fact for you commies, and I've seen the convoluted levels of mental gymnastics you go to try and PR facelift that. Of course, it's what I'd expect from an ignorant moron such as yourself.
Remember Year Zero, commie.
Like literally every regime.
"Seethe" and "commie" seem to be the only words you know. Sort of like racist and bigot to a leftist.
You generally make the claim that censorship is genocide to people who have logical faculties and who know anything about Russian history?
You asserted that earlier and were then unable to show anything of the sort, so congrats.
They certainly weren't intentionally eradicating the entire people. The political opposition, real and imagined, yes. But it's foolhardy to try to kill your own population.
You claim praise and then can't cite a single instance. Great job!
Non sequitur.
It's funny that you've been reduced to just insulting. Not even an attempt to write an argument. Nor to defend how you embarrassed yourself by saying that you were 'invalidated' by disagreement.
I'm "mad" that you're embarrassing yourself even further by being unable to produce even a shred of evidence for any of your claims.
You do know that documents can't be burned over the internet, right? You just have none, despite claiming that your idiocy is 'well-documented'.
So why are they not banning those great works right now? Are they waiting for me to give the signal? Give it a rest. You can't produce any substantiation for your claims, because you have none.
Yup, because you were echoing ultranationalist Ukrainian claims of 'genocide'.
Actually, when you claim someone is making things up, you do have to point out what. I'm sorry to break the news. You are not very smart.
OK, so what was 'the definition' before and after?
Sorry, you're just a retard, and the only reason I'm conversing with you at all is because you amuse me.
It's like a kid thinking that people will believe him over their lying eyes.
You come across as pretty sad, angry and pathetic...
Naming sources 'breaks' them? Huh.
You sure sound crazy enough to be one.
Cause you have none.
See, you just call everything you don't like "communist".
It's metaphorical... though I appreciate that you're not a glowie.
So why are you defending the empire?
That wasn't my claim... which is why, like all your other claims, you can cite nothing in support of it. Do you really think anyone believes that all people in a given country (or in this case non-country) are Nazis? Such uniformity simply doesn't exist.
When did that happen? And who decides on 'the' definition of genocide?
Nazi Germany is not despised because of "genocide" or other such silliness (which no one cares about, see the fate of the Armenians in 1915 and 2023), it's despised because it lost. Had it been victorious, most people would now be praising the Nazis. If Stalin had lost, he and the Bolshies would be as despised as the Nazis are now.
Their ethnicity is 'Russian'. But they were not targeted on that basis, nor being white. So no genocide, you dishonest Blogist shill.
Marx and Engels did not run a communist regime, and it's noted that you did not show how they called for 'exterminating white people'...
You are ridiculous.
That's not what it says. Can you even read?
I like how you think that no one knows these people, no one has ever heard of any books, and that even speaking their name will immediately lead to GULAGS and BOOK BANNINGS. Not sure who you expect to believe this.
NO WAY. I had no idea.
A lot of retards claim it was until 1991...
Cause your "sources" are non-existent, like your intelligence... All your desperate attempts to explain why your "sources" are mega duper secret were ridiculous, much like you yourself are.
I suggest that you search for the name 'Walter Duranty'... and look at who posted those threads.
This coming from the same communist PR rep that claimed "Basically no one tries to eradicate the people he rules over...", that's rich. See, there's this bit about your kind I've learned. When you commie shills start using 'literally', that's a marker that your kind are being dishonest.
Nice try, but your argument falls flat when not every government in the world engaged in ethnic cleansing to get rid of undesirables. A nice lie to try and normalize genocide though, commie.
That's because you've been ignoring everything I said thus far and nitpicking everything. Calling a spade a spade isn't a crime, you marxist piece of trash. Seethe, commie.
That's your claim, you dishonest commie propaganda mouthpiece, not mine. Stop twisting my words to try and silence conversation on your owners, "stalwart".
Your own posts are all that's needed to incriminate you.
Oh so now its an unintentional genocide now that your bolshevik masters were caught. You communists are far worse than the nazis.
The hubris of communism is not 'foolhardy', implying that it was made in error - it is completely intentional. And you're an absolute sleazebag for claiming that entire classes of people deemed "undesirables" by the communists are 'political opposition'.
Says the commie PR shill.
A non sequitur is a statement that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, you faux intellectual. And trying to talk your way out of even acknowledging the genocides committed by bolsheviks is what you've been trying to do this whole time.
Typical of your kind to completely deny the crimes of your fellow bolsheviks.
Says the commie cocksucker who's been repeatedly insulting me due to the fact you cannot respond to my arguments from the very start. What's the matter? You can dish it out, but you can't take it? Well whaddya know, you're a whiny, crybaby bitch and you deserve every insult.
I didn't embarrass myself - that whole thing is something you made up to try and derail what I had to say. Sucks to be you, that didn't work out either.
Why not? You're just gonna run back to your demcast owners and try and censor anyone I cite, communist pig. I know your kind.
Your kind has infested and destroyed entire communities, websites and services for having information and discussion inconvenient to bolshevik narratives. Don't try to play dumb, you disgusting swine.
See? Others have corroborated my argument despite how hard you claim my sources don't exist. You're just trying to silence anyone who speaks about it. You can whine about it if you want.
And there you go calling every historian who dared to speak against bolshevik genocides 'ukrainian ultranationalists', you bolshevik vermin.
Says the drooling retard who runs PR for commies, unaware that they always kill the useful idiots first.
The way you frame 'the definition' in quotes already tells me you're ready to suck up to the bolsheviks and argue in their favor.
Ha, don't lie. You're just here because you've lost too much social credit points and if you run now, your fellow commies are going to put you through a beating for 'suspected cowardice'.
You're just saying that because I refuse to submit to your struggle session tactics, you pile of cockroach dirt.
It's a figure of speech. Oh wait, you communist bastards always silence the witnesses to your crimes.
You're just mad that it took this long for you communists to infest the USA.
You corroborated my argument. Backpedaling in the span of a single post? That's almost impressive. Almost.
That's what they called themselves, you historical revisionist.
"Its metaphorical"? That's what you say in court after luring randoms into committing violence, huh?
Project harder, fucktard. Also nice whataboutism, commie.
You commies can't go without lying at all, can you? That IS your claim. Just look at this thread.
That 'uniformity' was something you pushed to silence any talk of genocide committed by bolsheviks, commie. Do you have the memory span of a fucking goldfish, you subhuman snotgobbler?
Thank you for YET another demonstration of ignorance regarding bolshevik behavior in the early 20th century.
Nah. They lost and are despised because of their own idiotic policies that put them on a collapse course that would have happened even if WW2 never happened. Of course, those same policies were adapted in communist regimes, and you have to cover that up, commie.
It won't work.
By the way, just because you don't care about the Armenian genocide doesn't mean no one else cares. That's the sort of wretched dishonesty I've come to expect from your kind.
More dishonest takes. Communists were successful in taking over several countries, but they were not praised. If anything, their obsession with exterminating those who they deemed "undesirables" made them even more hated when the purity spiral hit.
And there you go sinking your own lie that communism is a 'dead and gone' ideology. Congratulations.
There is no ethnicity called 'russian', you dishonest chucklefuck.
They were targeted for genocide because they were "undesirables" to the bolsheviks. They were not political opposition like you falsely claimed, commie.
They laid the foundations of how communist regimes should be run, and if you knew anything about marxist ideologies, you'd know what I was talking about. Of course, you know - and you cover up for them.
To a commie, anyone who dares speak about their crimes is ridiculous. I savor your desperate screeching, maggot.
Why don't you backpedal your way across the Nile and whine a little more?
Another lie. Why do you insist on dictating what I should think when you have no capacity to think at all?
That's how your kind has always acted. And continue to act even now.
Don't lie, you crayon-fucking commie shill. You knew. You just had to direct attention away from bolshevik genocides by constantly bringing up Ukraine... and you fail at that too.
Paul Revere was long gone in 1991. See, that's how I know you're a deceit-laden communist propaganda mouthpiece that engages in constant historical revisionism.
Another lie. I've seen how you treat anyone who disagrees with you, how you dehumanize them and their words simply because they speak a truth that you must slander and silence by any means necessary. You're an unbelievably stupid shitsack if you think I'll just let you dehumanize the people who have spoken out against bolshevik genocides.
Still, it's funny when you've accidentally mentioned some of my sources every now and then in the past, destroying your claim that my sources are non-existent. I suppose its a mistake on your behalf. How much social credit points will you lose for that?
I see you have the veneer of someone that tries to belong in this community - but get a thread going this far where a regular skim fails to perceive, and you turn out to be this disgusting communist shill that must downplay communist censorship, genocide and worse - all the while you hypocritically whine about the 'US Empire', ignoring the fact that it too, was the result of communist infestation.
I'm glad I destroyed your facade, commie.
Your turn to look up Year Zero.