Just an open question since we keep getting situations like this where the industry effectively admits it is incapable and unwilling to act to stop the worst elements of the industry (child exploitation, human trafficking, forced involvement, rape etc) that it's probably best to just ban the industry together.
Notice though I said using real people, with AI slowly getting better and CGI improving, why do we need real people to make porn? Just have something animated to be realistic enough as I don't give a fuck about pixels or a drawing. Have whatever kink you want, have entire porn snuff films whatever as no REAL people are getting harmed in the making if it. The worst that can happen is stressed artists trying to meet deadlines.
This might also affect adult streamers which is just a bonus as it'll be like a re-run of Projekt Melody when she became more popular since she did more than just strip and stare blankly at the camera till donations came in. A lot of porn or porn in all but name streaming (which I include Twitch on that) get money off just simply being pretty and that's it, denying that as an easy route will probably cause a shift in a lot of media.
I wouldn't advocate a FULL ban as no matter your feeling on it generally, it is a release so going full puritan invites a backlash and probably just forces more men to deal with insufferable feminist women. But just making that release fully fictional based than support an industry that sweeps horrific practices under the rug for money is probably for the best.
I can't say "everyone is this way" since I haven't met everyone, but I can make educated extrapolations based on a lot of observations. Based on what I've seen from many years, what I said is true. You can deny it all you want, which is what you're weirdly trying to do. Most studies on this subject also show that most men, the vast majority, are consumers of porn.
You're still sticking to this argument? Why? Do you really, REALLY think people exist as atomized individuals devoid of all commonality and mutual interest? Do you really, REALLY think not a single law on the books is based on widely accepted morality by the majority of people, or even has hints of moral justifications?
According to your own logic, it would require you to throw out all of those laws, because you can't enforce morality on other people. Right? Otherwise it would be "tyrannical" and "moralfagging".
Bull! People absolutely have a right to enforce their morality in the spaces they're in. I'm not sure if you know this, but nations are meant to be homogeneous. People are meant to group up to pursue mutual interests and goals with like minded people. Who do you think is pushing diversity, in every conceivable way, upon Western civilization? The exact same people pushing porn on us. They're intentionally dividing us, by people, by varying morality, by varying religions, languages, and philosophical beliefs. That's not how nations naturally exist.
A house divided against itself can't stand. We're being intentionally replaced and divided, and you're defending the people doing it, defending the means by which they control us. Why? I have no idea. I just find it incredibly questionable.
Government does both. It's not an either/or scenario. What is government currently doing? It's enforcing the edicts of the people in power and infringing on our liberties. You also keep skipping over the part where I say that governments, in their best form, should be more powerful at the state and local level. But hey, in the current form, I don't trust current Western governments to ban anything. All of this kind of stuff will be decided after the collapse and reformation of nations. Western civilization is headed toward collapse. Every single metric points one way. One of the reasons for it is people like you, afraid to enforce their views, and telling people like me that I can't, with vociferous antagonism, a viciousness I don't see aimed at the people in power who are responsible.
Do you not recall how this conversation started, with how venomous you were? You may as well have just admitted that you've already decided you hate me, that we've already interacted in the past in a way you didn't like, and have an ax to grind. Are you using an alt? I don't remember talking to you before.
Ah, I misread.
Yes, and? It's within my rights as a person of the groups I'm in.
Wait, you're seriously condemning me to the same level as globalists, that my motivations are no better than theirs? Holy moly. Your objective measure of reality is insanely questionable. Globalists wish to control people, to kill and replace White people in our own countries, to use us to fight their wars using false flags, killing millions upon millions of people, for their own ends, import drugs en masse to keep us sedated and sick, put propaganda in schools, news, Hollywood, and social media to keep us stupid and brainwashed, put demoralization and normalization propaganda in their media to keep us weakened, brainwash us into false ideologies and philosophies to keep us failing, separated, and weak, attack, denigrate, and undermine femininity and feminine women, attack, denigrate, and undermine masculine men, to keep us weak, unable to fight back, and separated from our own people, make divorce common and encouraged to reduce the number of marriages and children, implement abortion to reduce the number of children further, push porn and LGBTQ on the entire populace, to move us away from what works, they indoctrinate children into their perversions, attack, denigrate, and undermine all traditions which enabled our success in the first place, print money out of thin air and reduce our spending power through inflation, mass import non-whites to replace us and perpetually reduce average wages, push women into the workforce en masse so they're less likely to pursue husbands and have children, reducing everyone's wages, now requiring both parents to work to earn less than the father used to be able to earn on his own, and they gaslight and lie to us the entire time, censoring and attacking anyone who dares question any aspect of their hellworld...
...and you say my differences to globalists is "irrelevant"? All because I want to ban porn to protect people, especially from globalists?
Are you mad?
Oh okay, it took me a while to realize that you're just making a long form admission that you're an anarchist. You don't actually believe in government, in any form. You think people should be able to do whatever they want. You'll disagree of course, but your other statements are in opposition.
Government by itself isn't evil. The form it takes and how it acts is what makes it evil. As I'll say again (and again, so maybe you'll read it), concentration of power into large centralized governments is bad. Local and state governments should hold the most power. Current forms of government are too corrupt to trust with banning anything. This will all be decided after the collapse. For the record, I don't want to live anywhere near you. I assume the feeling is mutual. Go live in your libertarian anarchist "paradise". I'll live in one of my making.
Thanks for confirming again that you're skimming what I say and that you're a self destructive individualist. Why does civilization exist? Why does any group of people exist? It's because we can achieve more together than we can apart. That means sacrificing individuality for the common good, or collective interest. This happens naturally because people are supposed to group up with like minded people that have the same or near similar views. Forced diversity of ideas is another control mechanism of globalists. Feel free to have your own ideas, but enforce them in your own city and state. I want nothing to do with them. They've already proven to be failures.
Individualism, by itself, it inherently self destructive. So, too, is collectivism by itself. Reality meets in the middle. That's where the debate is. You're advocating for self destructive individualism while the globalists are ever increasing their hold over the collective. You're advocating for a losing position against an entrenched enemy not playing by your rules. You're crying out "I will lose" as loud as you can through your philosophies. What's the first reason people group up? It's for mutual survival. You have completely abandoned the concept of the collective for your own selfish individual interests. You decry "individual rights" but don't give a damn about what happens to anyone around you. You not only want to allow destructive pursuits for people, but actively attack anyone who dares take it away. You attack anyone advocating for the collective interests. You've broken down civilization itself, robbed the people of all mutual endeavors, down to mutual survival. You might as well wear a big sign that says "kill me" with how self destructive your philosophy is. The problem is that you're not just advocating it for yourself, you're advocating it for everyone. Do you not realize the hypocrisy of your stance? You're actually enforcing your philosophical views on others, to their detriment. I only advocate for banning of porn, to help people. You decry about imaginary "rights" being infringed, but in reality its only porn I want to ban. Porn isn't a human right.
I don't know if you know this, but the communities we're a part of are supposed to uphold our views and help raise children. It's collective self interest to keep children safe, healthy, and free from subversion and degeneracy. A people that can't protect their children deserves to die. This mutual interest doesn't end at childhood either. A people that can't protect one another deserves to die. Your society deserves to die. You leave all responsibility on the individual, and not on everyone else for allowing such evils to exist. You rob everyone of collective shared interests.
This has already been addressed multiple times, and refuted multiple times. The name calling isn't required. Address the arguments.
Go reread everything. You've skimmed over stuff I've already addressed and refuted, multiple times. That, or you're intentionally ignoring it because you don't have an answer. I'm increasingly leaning toward the latter, as you've approached this entire debate in bad faith. Don't believe me? Go reread what your initial reply to me was. It reeks of hatred, not just for disagreement over this, but over previous engagements. Of what, I don't know.
Also, again, you're directing an unusual amount of vitriol at me, merely for suggesting banning porn, a control mechanism used to harm your own people. You deflect and say this isn't about speech, but then claim I'd be infringing upon peoples rights by banning porn. Which is it? So, the only reasonable conclusions is that you either don't care about your own people, you don't belong here (we're not your people), you're lying about your motivations, or your a complete, unequivocal moron. I really don't like using ad hominems in debate, as it detracts from the purpose, but in this case it's a reasonable extrapolation from your expressed views given the current environment in the world.
I've read everything you said. There was one passage I misread one word, but I went back and reread it and addressed it above. I also quoted and broke down nearly every part of your comments. You've conveniently skipped over a lot of what I said.
It doesn't matter, though. You'll continue to enforce your philosophical views on people that are known failures, and I'll enforce mine after the collapse, caused in part by people like you who will be in the vast minority afterward, for reasons you apparently can't comprehend. Hell, I doubt you'll even survive, as you've completely sworn off the entire idea of collective mutual interests. Go be a "rugged individualist", see how far that gets you in civilizational collapse. Remember, grouping up is wrong. Each person needs to make their own decisions and look out for themselves, remember?