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Cartoon Demands the government take over of businesses to do war crimes (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Both explanations lack satisfaction. Germany was hellbent on decapitating the USSR and seizing every useable raw material, which they badly needed. Otherwise, invading Russia is pure folly, whether the Soviets planned to eventually invade or not. That's very different from destroying supplies at the border.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Otherwise, invading Russia is pure folly

Without getting into the why and how of Barbarossa, this is a pretty bad take. If the USSR was going to invade, the ideal time to respond would have been when the USSR was "almost but not quite ready" to invade. That's the gist of Suvelov's idea. You don't just turn on an invasion, you have to prepare; if your opponent beats you to the punch, you've taken two steps backwards. Decapitating the USSR was required for the success of Barbarossa; that's how modern mechanized wars are fought. Germany failed.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I don't think you read the full meaning of my comment. Germany invaded in large part to capture Russia's resources to fuel their global war effort. The element of defense may or may not have existed, but the element of opportunism certainly existed.

Decapitating the USSR was required for the success of Barbarossa; that's how modern mechanized wars are fought.

Generally, yes. But 70 years of technological advancement later, we are witnessing the complete opposite of mechanized high tempo warfare in Ukraine.

You don't just turn on an invasion, you have to prepare

Hence why Germany had the Russian invasion in mind before '41.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Germany invaded in large part to capture Russia's resources to fuel their global war effort

I'm going to have to take another look at Germany's resource objectives, but you realize, I'm rejecting the idea that there was a global war effort?

witnessing the complete opposite of mechanized high tempo warfare in Ukraine

No. What we are witnessing is Russian failure.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I'm going to have to take another look at Germany's resource objectives, but you realize, I'm rejecting the idea that there was a global war effort?

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but Germany was at war on multiple fronts at that time.

If you mean that Hitler was less megalomaniacal than commonly portrayed, then OK.

No. What we are witnessing is Russian failure.

The Russians are winning. I suppose you mean that they could do better?

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