The feds are in every organization. There were commies in the Nazis and Nazis in the commies. There's Chinese feds in the USA government and Jewish feds in the Russian government. It's how all their organizations operate. Just because there were feds in the proud boys doesn't mean they were a glowie op.
I was in the Proud Boys prior to Jan 6th. Do you know what the leader of the Proud Boys chapter I was in did before Jan 6th? He told everyone in the Chapter that everyone is banned from showing up to Jan 6th. He said if anyone showed up to Jan 6th he'd kick them out of the Proud Boys. Why? Because he said it was plainly obvious that it was a setup by police and anyone going was going to put themselves and the organization in jeopardy.
So yeah, not everyone in the Proud Boys was an idiot and/or betrayed their own people or whatever. I'm sure there were so many feds and fed informants infiltrated in the PBs that it may as well have been a fed organization but the feds can do that to any organization they want to. A lot of the people in the PBs I knew personally and it wasn't all a bunch of feds, that's for sure.
Keep in mind the PBs was an extremely decentralized organization too so what one chapter did doesn't mean it had any bearing on other chapters. The feds could have just started their own chapter and tarnished the name of the PBs themselves and everyone would believe all the PBs are just like that one chapter. There was no way real way to reign in on what all the PBs were doing. Each Chapter had significant autonomy.
It is true. I'll tell you another story of an organization I was in. During university I heard of a fraternity that had secret rape rooms where they would rape women. It was Delta Kappa Epsilon (same frat that Bush Jr. Was in and they had significant ties to the Freemasons).
Anyway, I joined and found out there was no rape rooms. The guys were great guys and actually had the highest combined GPA of any of the frats. Some guy tried to join the fraternity but the guy was a pervert. He'd go around and just grab women's tits and vag on the dance floor, he'd try to rape women, he'd walk around the frat house completely naked and if girls were around he'd try to get them to touch his dick. It became clear the guy was a weirdo and no one wanted him around so he got blackballed from the organization so he wasn't allowed to join and banned from the house. Afterward, he went to the university and claimed he had evidence of all these terrible things our first was doing. He had videos but most of the videos he had were entirely taken out of context and some of the videos were of situations he created with his antics (but wasn't apparent from the videos). It becomes clear actually that his intentions always were to try to makeup evidence to get the frat in trouble. All the rapey weird shit he was doing to women was in an attempt to try to get other guys to condone it so he could gather more evidence. His intention was always to sewer to fraternity. It was a good thing we banned him except you know what happened? The university took all his evidence and posted the stories to their newspapers. Our frat got banned even though we didn't do anything wrong and it was entirely this guy that we ended up banning fabricating shit he created.
Why is that story important? Because in showing you how one guy who wasn't even trained in bringing down organizations like a fed would be basically destroyed my whole fraternity because he made it his mission to and had help from the university who also wanted to bring down the frat. I remember hearing everyone on campus discuss how terrible the frat was. When I told people what actually happened no one really believed me or knew what to believe. That was it for the frat, they were banned from the university, house no longer consider part of campus etc...
Now take my story and apply it to the PBs. This is what happened to the PBs. Your impression of the PBs is controlled by the same people who brought the PBs down (the feds). The truth is not what it seems.
The feds are in every organization. There were commies in the Nazis and Nazis in the commies. There's Chinese feds in the USA government and Jewish feds in the Russian government. It's how all their organizations operate. Just because there were feds in the proud boys doesn't mean they were a glowie op.
I was in the Proud Boys prior to Jan 6th. Do you know what the leader of the Proud Boys chapter I was in did before Jan 6th? He told everyone in the Chapter that everyone is banned from showing up to Jan 6th. He said if anyone showed up to Jan 6th he'd kick them out of the Proud Boys. Why? Because he said it was plainly obvious that it was a setup by police and anyone going was going to put themselves and the organization in jeopardy.
So yeah, not everyone in the Proud Boys was an idiot and/or betrayed their own people or whatever. I'm sure there were so many feds and fed informants infiltrated in the PBs that it may as well have been a fed organization but the feds can do that to any organization they want to. A lot of the people in the PBs I knew personally and it wasn't all a bunch of feds, that's for sure.
Keep in mind the PBs was an extremely decentralized organization too so what one chapter did doesn't mean it had any bearing on other chapters. The feds could have just started their own chapter and tarnished the name of the PBs themselves and everyone would believe all the PBs are just like that one chapter. There was no way real way to reign in on what all the PBs were doing. Each Chapter had significant autonomy.
It is true. I'll tell you another story of an organization I was in. During university I heard of a fraternity that had secret rape rooms where they would rape women. It was Delta Kappa Epsilon (same frat that Bush Jr. Was in and they had significant ties to the Freemasons).
Anyway, I joined and found out there was no rape rooms. The guys were great guys and actually had the highest combined GPA of any of the frats. Some guy tried to join the fraternity but the guy was a pervert. He'd go around and just grab women's tits and vag on the dance floor, he'd try to rape women, he'd walk around the frat house completely naked and if girls were around he'd try to get them to touch his dick. It became clear the guy was a weirdo and no one wanted him around so he got blackballed from the organization so he wasn't allowed to join and banned from the house. Afterward, he went to the university and claimed he had evidence of all these terrible things our first was doing. He had videos but most of the videos he had were entirely taken out of context and some of the videos were of situations he created with his antics (but wasn't apparent from the videos). It becomes clear actually that his intentions always were to try to makeup evidence to get the frat in trouble. All the rapey weird shit he was doing to women was in an attempt to try to get other guys to condone it so he could gather more evidence. His intention was always to sewer to fraternity. It was a good thing we banned him except you know what happened? The university took all his evidence and posted the stories to their newspapers. Our frat got banned even though we didn't do anything wrong and it was entirely this guy that we ended up banning fabricating shit he created.
Why is that story important? Because in showing you how one guy who wasn't even trained in bringing down organizations like a fed would be basically destroyed my whole fraternity because he made it his mission to and had help from the university who also wanted to bring down the frat. I remember hearing everyone on campus discuss how terrible the frat was. When I told people what actually happened no one really believed me or knew what to believe. That was it for the frat, they were banned from the university, house no longer consider part of campus etc...
Now take my story and apply it to the PBs. This is what happened to the PBs. Your impression of the PBs is controlled by the same people who brought the PBs down (the feds). The truth is not what it seems.