I am uncertain why anyone wants to stop abortions. The black populations numbers will rise significantly without abortions. The white women getting abortions are not the women we want procreating anyway. Unwanted babies don't just ruin the woman's life but they ruin the man's life too. Arguably, they ruin the man's life more.
If anything, what we should be pushing for is giving men the right to abort a child that the woman doesn't want to abort and give the man the ability to choose not to abort a child the woman wants to abort. We should be giving men abortion rights and we could argue that by giving men abortion rights, it's the only way to ensure abortion always stays legal. Essentially negotiate with the legality on abortion hinging on giving men abortion rights.
Many leftists already say things like "if men were the ones who got pregnant then abortion would 100% be legal". So let's make it so men are the ones who can choose to get an abortion or not and make it legal.
some people think that a person's body autonomy takes absolute priority
Some people claim they believe that because it sounds like a good argument. But the vast majority of those people don't ACTUALLY give a shit about bodily autonomy as we saw with the shot mandates. It won't stop them from continuing to use that argument, but they're massive hypocrites who are pretending to take a principled stand, when they actually just want the convenience of access to abortions and never cared about men's rights or bodily autonomy to begin with.
Right but since both these things are entirely up for debate, meaning anyone can believe whatever they want regarding these things, why don't we instead do what's in our best interests as a civilization?
It's only contradictory if you want it to be contradictory. It doesn't need to hold any logical congruency to any set of morals. It just needs to do what is in people's best interests.
And your compromise is better than nothing but why would I start there in a negotiation when I can start all the way over where I was before? Think of the men who want children that the woman murders with abortion, omg... terrible. We need to look out for these men. If a woman aborts a child against the man's wishes, that's murder. But I'd be fine if all we accomplished is where you're willing to compromise.
Men's rights fails for one simple reason. Lack of power. That is all.
I am uncertain why anyone wants to stop abortions. The black populations numbers will rise significantly without abortions. The white women getting abortions are not the women we want procreating anyway. Unwanted babies don't just ruin the woman's life but they ruin the man's life too. Arguably, they ruin the man's life more.
If anything, what we should be pushing for is giving men the right to abort a child that the woman doesn't want to abort and give the man the ability to choose not to abort a child the woman wants to abort. We should be giving men abortion rights and we could argue that by giving men abortion rights, it's the only way to ensure abortion always stays legal. Essentially negotiate with the legality on abortion hinging on giving men abortion rights.
Many leftists already say things like "if men were the ones who got pregnant then abortion would 100% be legal". So let's make it so men are the ones who can choose to get an abortion or not and make it legal.
Some people claim they believe that because it sounds like a good argument. But the vast majority of those people don't ACTUALLY give a shit about bodily autonomy as we saw with the shot mandates. It won't stop them from continuing to use that argument, but they're massive hypocrites who are pretending to take a principled stand, when they actually just want the convenience of access to abortions and never cared about men's rights or bodily autonomy to begin with.
Right but since both these things are entirely up for debate, meaning anyone can believe whatever they want regarding these things, why don't we instead do what's in our best interests as a civilization?
It's only contradictory if you want it to be contradictory. It doesn't need to hold any logical congruency to any set of morals. It just needs to do what is in people's best interests.
And your compromise is better than nothing but why would I start there in a negotiation when I can start all the way over where I was before? Think of the men who want children that the woman murders with abortion, omg... terrible. We need to look out for these men. If a woman aborts a child against the man's wishes, that's murder. But I'd be fine if all we accomplished is where you're willing to compromise.
Men's rights fails for one simple reason. Lack of power. That is all.