I may or may not be in the minority here, but I oppose the death penalty. I'd rather just have a prison system that works; lock these fucks up for life, stop letting out the most violent bastards to victimize again. Death penalty is largely pointless; the criminals who would get it are either too low IQ to even contemplate the consequences (and so won't be deterred, and keeping them in prison for life has the same outcome as killing them), or too insane to consider the consequences. I just don't like the idea of a system that may occasionally execute innocent men, but doesn't seem to provide any actual benefit as far as deterrents go.
Also, as a recovering lolbertarian, I just don't think the governments should have that final authority over our very lives. It's too much, and it's too permanent. At least if they lock up an innocent, they can eventually be freed. I just don't trust our "justice" system to fairly administrate...well, anything. Furthermore, think about how our current system is set up, and how entrenched things like affirmative action. They'd basically be waiving the death penalty for nonwhites, trannies, and the like anyway.
So, yeah, I don't care how heinous someone acted, I don't think the state should be able to kill them. Just lock these monster up forever. Same outcome for society, less opportunity for abuse or tyranny.
And if that person happens to be wrongly convicted?
It's going to cost something to execute people; you're still going to have to go through a lot of expensive procedures, especially if you want to limit collateral damage.
And, if we're really going to expand the death penalty like some people have suggested, the administrative process alone is going to balloon massively and likely exponentially, as we struggle to make sure we're only executing people who deserve it.
Also, while they're alive, they can in theory be put to work to partially offset that cost. It's not as simple as Prison V Bullet.
And if that person happens to be wrongly convicted?
people die of government/judiciary incompetence all the time, and no one cares. this focus on hypothetical wrongful convictions is extremely disingenuous. Especially when the discussion is usually around getting rid of biotrash caught in the act.
...this focus on hypothetical wrongful convictions is extremely disingenuous.
"insincere or calculating...pretending"
Way to jump in on a polite and interesting discussion that's been going on for a day. You do realize jumping out of the starting gate like this leaves very little room for meaningful response, right? Because you're 100% wrong about me and my motives, and there's no point in me engaging with you, aside from pointing out your utter internet weirdness. Peace.
I may or may not be in the minority here, but I oppose the death penalty. I'd rather just have a prison system that works; lock these fucks up for life, stop letting out the most violent bastards to victimize again. Death penalty is largely pointless; the criminals who would get it are either too low IQ to even contemplate the consequences (and so won't be deterred, and keeping them in prison for life has the same outcome as killing them), or too insane to consider the consequences. I just don't like the idea of a system that may occasionally execute innocent men, but doesn't seem to provide any actual benefit as far as deterrents go.
Also, as a recovering lolbertarian, I just don't think the governments should have that final authority over our very lives. It's too much, and it's too permanent. At least if they lock up an innocent, they can eventually be freed. I just don't trust our "justice" system to fairly administrate...well, anything. Furthermore, think about how our current system is set up, and how entrenched things like affirmative action. They'd basically be waiving the death penalty for nonwhites, trannies, and the like anyway.
So, yeah, I don't care how heinous someone acted, I don't think the state should be able to kill them. Just lock these monster up forever. Same outcome for society, less opportunity for abuse or tyranny.
Life in jail: millions of dollars.
45 cal round to the back of the head? 40 cents.
I dunno. One seems more effective than the other.
And if that person happens to be wrongly convicted?
It's going to cost something to execute people; you're still going to have to go through a lot of expensive procedures, especially if you want to limit collateral damage.
And, if we're really going to expand the death penalty like some people have suggested, the administrative process alone is going to balloon massively and likely exponentially, as we struggle to make sure we're only executing people who deserve it.
Also, while they're alive, they can in theory be put to work to partially offset that cost. It's not as simple as Prison V Bullet.
people die of government/judiciary incompetence all the time, and no one cares. this focus on hypothetical wrongful convictions is extremely disingenuous. Especially when the discussion is usually around getting rid of biotrash caught in the act.
"insincere or calculating...pretending"
Way to jump in on a polite and interesting discussion that's been going on for a day. You do realize jumping out of the starting gate like this leaves very little room for meaningful response, right? Because you're 100% wrong about me and my motives, and there's no point in me engaging with you, aside from pointing out your utter internet weirdness. Peace.