I may or may not be in the minority here, but I oppose the death penalty. I'd rather just have a prison system that works; lock these fucks up for life, stop letting out the most violent bastards to victimize again. Death penalty is largely pointless; the criminals who would get it are either too low IQ to even contemplate the consequences (and so won't be deterred, and keeping them in prison for life has the same outcome as killing them), or too insane to consider the consequences. I just don't like the idea of a system that may occasionally execute innocent men, but doesn't seem to provide any actual benefit as far as deterrents go.
Also, as a recovering lolbertarian, I just don't think the governments should have that final authority over our very lives. It's too much, and it's too permanent. At least if they lock up an innocent, they can eventually be freed. I just don't trust our "justice" system to fairly administrate...well, anything. Furthermore, think about how our current system is set up, and how entrenched things like affirmative action. They'd basically be waiving the death penalty for nonwhites, trannies, and the like anyway.
So, yeah, I don't care how heinous someone acted, I don't think the state should be able to kill them. Just lock these monster up forever. Same outcome for society, less opportunity for abuse or tyranny.
I am still working through the nuances of my opinion, but I tend to agree we need more executions, not fewer.
The world is cruel and brutal... and I think we have lost our way a little bit in this modern world. Heinous crimes are no less common since we decided as a society to show mercy, and I generally don't think it turns out well when the state respects the life of those who don't respect others'.
But there are the obvious caveats that our justice system as it stands is broken and corrupt.
The world is cruel and brutal... and I think we have lost our way a little bit in this modern world.
Generally agree.
But there are the obvious caveats that our justice system as it stands is broken and corrupt.
Definitely agree.
Heinous crimes are no less common since we decided as a society to show mercy, and I generally don't think it turns out well when the state respects the life of those who don't respect others'.
I don't view it as mercy. As I've said elsewhere, I think we should demand the state value all life, to protect the wrongly convicted. Especially if we were going to expand the death penalty to other crimes like robbery. I want criminals to have basic rights, including not being executed by the state, because I also want those rights. I don't want the precedent that the state can kill certain people. Even if those people are monsters. We just need to also demand our system stop letting these monsters out to do it all again.
I may or may not be in the minority here, but I oppose the death penalty. I'd rather just have a prison system that works; lock these fucks up for life, stop letting out the most violent bastards to victimize again. Death penalty is largely pointless; the criminals who would get it are either too low IQ to even contemplate the consequences (and so won't be deterred, and keeping them in prison for life has the same outcome as killing them), or too insane to consider the consequences. I just don't like the idea of a system that may occasionally execute innocent men, but doesn't seem to provide any actual benefit as far as deterrents go.
Also, as a recovering lolbertarian, I just don't think the governments should have that final authority over our very lives. It's too much, and it's too permanent. At least if they lock up an innocent, they can eventually be freed. I just don't trust our "justice" system to fairly administrate...well, anything. Furthermore, think about how our current system is set up, and how entrenched things like affirmative action. They'd basically be waiving the death penalty for nonwhites, trannies, and the like anyway.
So, yeah, I don't care how heinous someone acted, I don't think the state should be able to kill them. Just lock these monster up forever. Same outcome for society, less opportunity for abuse or tyranny.
I am still working through the nuances of my opinion, but I tend to agree we need more executions, not fewer.
The world is cruel and brutal... and I think we have lost our way a little bit in this modern world. Heinous crimes are no less common since we decided as a society to show mercy, and I generally don't think it turns out well when the state respects the life of those who don't respect others'.
But there are the obvious caveats that our justice system as it stands is broken and corrupt.
Generally agree.
Definitely agree.
I don't view it as mercy. As I've said elsewhere, I think we should demand the state value all life, to protect the wrongly convicted. Especially if we were going to expand the death penalty to other crimes like robbery. I want criminals to have basic rights, including not being executed by the state, because I also want those rights. I don't want the precedent that the state can kill certain people. Even if those people are monsters. We just need to also demand our system stop letting these monsters out to do it all again.
I generally agree with you here, too.
It's a complex issue I haven't had much time to think about with all the other more important shit going on for the past decade or so.