Yeah, it was an enjoyable discussion, we both said our pieces, and I think we can both at the very least get where we're all coming from. We probably didn't change each other's minds, but that's not really the point anyway, and it sounds like we will both keep thinking about this. I'll certainly listen to that conference you linked. It is important to question things, especially the fundamentals, and I'm curious to see what he's got to say. So, cheers, buddy! o7

I disagree with others who are arguing with you that capital punishment needs to exist for the sake of retribution. I think that's a really bad justification.

Agreed, not blaming them, but it felt really out of left field. We had this long discussion about where we were coming from, what we thought of the issue, and then a couple guys show up late talking about how we need to make victims feel good by killing prisoners. I can even mostly get where they're coming from too, but I personally strongly disagree.

I didn't continue our thread because I felt we reached an impasse, in a good way. We would have had to move on to harder questions like the value of a life and human dignity. Good topics to discuss, but honestly, I wasn't really up to it.

Yup, totally agreed.

Getting into moral theory is pretty challenging because, once you move past "what seems fair", shit gets really hard really fast. Still learning myself.

Yup, you really do have to start from the fundamentals, and then work your way up. Gets pretty weird. Looking forward to listening to the speech, though.