He lost me at "we're in Ukraine for the right reasons".
Am I the only one that remembers that the US supported a coup in 2014 against the pro-Russia Ukrainian government? Where was the brutalization then? And then the US-backed government shelled ethnic Russian areas in the East? And then those regions seceeded; asking Russia for help? And then Russia stepped in to protect them? How are we the "good guys" in this scenario?
Now, I'm not so naive as to think Russia isn't playing the same dirty games, but unless we want to go so deep into the skullduggery where no one is "good" (and the question reverts to "why are we here?") then the US is basically pulling a Cuban Missle Crisis with the roles reversed.
I'll also point out that, while we're degrading the Russian army with a prolonged war, they're doing the exact same thing back at us, and we're (apparently) in the middle of a debt crisis while their currency is up 70% since the start of the war.
the US is basically pulling a Cuban Missle Crisis with the roles reversed
The Cuban missile crisis was precipitated by the US placing intermediate range nuclear missiles in Turkey. The Russian move to do the same in Cuba was spun as an escalation when it was really a tit for tat.
Part of the deal ending the matter was the US agreeing to quietly remove the missiles from Turkey a few months later.
In that sense, Ukraine is eerily similar. We've been fucking around there for a decade taking ever more provocative actions, and every time Russia escalates in response we put on the surprised Pikachu face and act like it was for no reason at all other than they're just evil.
It's also eerily similar that before the Cuban missile crisis there was the Cuban Revolution which only happened because Cuba was totally being fucked over by the US and was being used as America's playground.
Ukraine is the same situation, how many Democrats and Republicans had their hand in that cookie jar? I mean christ the President of the United States put his fuck up son on a energy board there. Just like Cuba we're risking a nuclear war because a few senators and other politician's wallets went lighter.
He lost me at "we're in Ukraine for the right reasons".
Am I the only one that remembers that the US supported a coup in 2014 against the pro-Russia Ukrainian government? Where was the brutalization then? And then the US-backed government shelled ethnic Russian areas in the East? And then those regions seceeded; asking Russia for help? And then Russia stepped in to protect them? How are we the "good guys" in this scenario?
Now, I'm not so naive as to think Russia isn't playing the same dirty games, but unless we want to go so deep into the skullduggery where no one is "good" (and the question reverts to "why are we here?") then the US is basically pulling a Cuban Missle Crisis with the roles reversed.
I'll also point out that, while we're degrading the Russian army with a prolonged war, they're doing the exact same thing back at us, and we're (apparently) in the middle of a debt crisis while their currency is up 70% since the start of the war.
The Cuban missile crisis was precipitated by the US placing intermediate range nuclear missiles in Turkey. The Russian move to do the same in Cuba was spun as an escalation when it was really a tit for tat.
Part of the deal ending the matter was the US agreeing to quietly remove the missiles from Turkey a few months later.
In that sense, Ukraine is eerily similar. We've been fucking around there for a decade taking ever more provocative actions, and every time Russia escalates in response we put on the surprised Pikachu face and act like it was for no reason at all other than they're just evil.
It's also eerily similar that before the Cuban missile crisis there was the Cuban Revolution which only happened because Cuba was totally being fucked over by the US and was being used as America's playground.
Ukraine is the same situation, how many Democrats and Republicans had their hand in that cookie jar? I mean christ the President of the United States put his fuck up son on a energy board there. Just like Cuba we're risking a nuclear war because a few senators and other politician's wallets went lighter.