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– ArchRespawnsAgain 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Libertarians were on the bleeding edge of degeneracy, supporting gay marriage before even the Democrats. They also tend to support legalizing all drugs. "Small government" conservatives like Asa Hutchinson argue that it's a matter of government overreach to prevent "gender affirming care" for children.

By what mechanism will libertarians stop degeneracy? You've never been anything but laissez-faire on social issues.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You've never been anything but laissez-faire on social issues.

Don't paint me with your collectivism.

Anyways, I've said it before: order is an emergent property of chaos, chaos is an emergent property of order.

You reduce government moral authoritarianism and you don't get degeneracy, you get social order naturally emerging from social structures. Christians abandoned the necessary social ordering and enforcement mechanisms every time they try to have the government police morality for them.

This is why I've previously said that we need to be more tolerant of social violence. If you scream at some random woman on the street, and a man of the nieghborhood approaches you, tells you to get out, and pushes you out of the neighborhood, that is a good thing.

Laissez-Faire doesn't mean rejecting order. It means allowing order to emerge naturally.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

History proves this to be false. Christians' moral preferences disappeared from the public when the government stopped backing them. You don't have media full of trannies and porn during the Hays Code days, for example.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

History shows it to be true. The social changes came from outside of the government from pressure groups and communities that had long since abandoned Christian moral doctrines. Christians put their faith, not in the righteousness of God and strong moral communities, but in the state, hoping that the government could act as moral arbiter in place of God, and that the state would never ever betray them. Even that was a reaction to Leftist cultural dominance in Hollywood, Academia, and the Media in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. The Evangelicals made the same mistake, and now there are a slew of Christians who fly racial gay pride flags outside their churches.

Even now, idiots like Matt Walsh are absolutely certain that ignoring the Culture War is a categorical imperative. If we ignore culture, and legislate morality, there's just no way that the Left will do the exact same thing it's been doing since the Frankfurt School explicitly stated that cultural subversion was the most important effort.

Speaking of which, the fact that cultural power is more important than political power is easily demonstrated in Germany. The Fabians/Frankfurters conquered West Germany, and the Soviets conquered East Germany. The Frankfurt School's "New Left" policies of cultural subversion were cranked to 100% in West Germany, and the former West German republicans are a hive of Progresivism and support for German replacement. The East German "Old Left" strategy of just shooting all dissidents has led the former East Germans to be the center of support for the AfD. Most of the former Soviet Bloc countries are like this. All of them focused entirely on authoritarian moral orders enforced by the point of the gun, and it's caused nothing but blowback. Fabian cultural subversion has been far more effective everywhere it's been used.

If moral legislation worked, you wouldn't even have heard of the Frankfurt School.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

If the US didn't accept communist refugees, the Frankfurt School would have been a blip on the radar. I guess technically some people may have heard of them as in, "remember that Frankfurt School thing that the NSDAP destroyed?"

Unfortunately, the US's government policy accepted such trash into the country, thus allowing them to continue.

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