I'm not sure you know what that word means. Take issue with his ideas all you want, but it would be very difficult to argue that he was not genuine, and that pretty much absolves someone of being a grifter. Not to mention the way he went out. Totally typical grifter behavior....
Yes, I don't use the word "grift" in the strictest monetary sense, though he did earn his living selling his literature, but rather the cunning he uses to trick his audience into believing his bullshit. Just because he was eventually a true believer of his own bullshit doesn't mean that he wasn't trying to manipulate people with his literature towards his goals.
Plus, unless you're telling me he gave away all copies of his books for free, he was definitely far from someone totally pure in that he was literally selling his viewpoints. Its literally his living; at best he's a glorified pundit, and if you have a positive opinion of such types of people, I say good luck to you in the future with assessing people's characters.
Because they objectively were of their own volition. That says nothing on whether or not I think it was the right choice, but this is not complicated logic to grasp.
Brainless take. They were literally "following the leader", and it was that very logic which got them killed to begin with. It was literally a senseless loss of life.
Are you fine with suicide then? That's fucking stupid. It does say something on whether you thought it was the wrong choice because suicide is pretty much objectively wrong, but you found a way to justify that it wasn't worth caring about because "they did it of their own volition", as if all suicides weren't of their own fucking volition. Its not a strawman, you literally said "it was their choice", as if that makes it fine and as if he had no part in it. You know where they were and what they were doing, and who was leading them, but you don't seem to give a fuck, and you also don't seem to give a fuck that it was following the exact beliefs that Mishima expressed; instead, you just handwave it away, and call it "ree'ing".
I mocked you on this issue because you refused to acknowledge it directly, its not a strawman, its showing you what you're doing because you can't just handwave such actions around like they didn't matter.
Literally most of Mishima's literature was based or understood around the context of a post-WW2 Japan, which is how most of the world now understands Japan. He happened to survive while Kuribayashi died in actually serving his country. Mishima doesn't deserve such praise while doing literally jack shit for his people, while Kuribayashi languishes in the grave for doing the opposite.
Sowell
Sowell contributed to the field of economics and was a highly intelligent and accomplished man in something at least moderately practical and useful, which is why people give him a lot of credence otherwise. He wasn't just a "guy with based opinions". Compare someone like Sowell with currently trending talking heads that a lot of young conservatives enjoy like Shapiro and whatever and maybe you'll understand why I consider Mishima with disdain, its not analogous here at all. Kuribayashi is closer to Sowell than Mishima,
Being an "idea guy" on its own means little generally, especially with regards to politics. I hope you don't also worship the popular meme philosophers who lived awful lives either.
My goodness man, yes, I'll stop talking with you after this final post on the matter, this conversation definitely has only reinforced my viewpoint that people who bother to give trending idiots like Mishima any positive attention are naive people without common sense to actually understand what a life well-lived actually entails (though I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for missing the trend apparently).
This has nothing to do with my reading comprehension; I'm aware you have your own viewpoints, but the viewpoints I have seen expressed here (which was the topic of the conversation to begin with), gives me such little faith in what you consider important and what you don't, that I cannot express anything but pity, disappointment, and an utter lack of surprise based on what I've seen out of people who follow such types of individuals.
There's a lot of bullshit salesmen out there, and Mishima was one of them. Doesn't matter if I happened to agree with a few of his positions, he was a loser who tricked morons into following him into failure and death, and you fail to see the irony of defending such a person here.
Yes, I don't use the word "grift" in the strictest monetary sense, though he did earn his living selling his literature, but rather the cunning he uses to trick his audience into believing his bullshit. Just because he was eventually a true believer of his own bullshit doesn't mean that he wasn't trying to manipulate people with his literature towards his goals.
Plus, unless you're telling me he gave away all copies of his books for free, he was definitely far from someone totally pure in that he was literally selling his viewpoints. Its literally his living; at best he's a glorified pundit, and if you have a positive opinion of such types of people, I say good luck to you in the future with assessing people's characters.
Brainless take. They were literally "following the leader", and it was that very logic which got them killed to begin with. It was literally a senseless loss of life.
Are you fine with suicide then? That's fucking stupid. It does say something on whether you thought it was the wrong choice because suicide is pretty much objectively wrong, but you found a way to justify that it wasn't worth caring about because "they did it of their own volition", as if all suicides weren't of their own fucking volition. Its not a strawman, you literally said "it was their choice", as if that makes it fine and as if he had no part in it. You know where they were and what they were doing, and who was leading them, but you don't seem to give a fuck, and you also don't seem to give a fuck that it was following the exact beliefs that Mishima expressed; instead, you just handwave it away, and call it "ree'ing".
I mocked you on this issue because you refused to acknowledge it directly, its not a strawman, its showing you what you're doing because you can't just handwave such actions around like they didn't matter.
Literally most of Mishima's literature was based or understood around the context of a post-WW2 Japan, which is how most of the world now understands Japan. He happened to survive while Kuribayashi died in actually serving his country. Mishima doesn't deserve such praise while doing literally jack shit for his people, while Kuribayashi languishes in the grave for doing the opposite.
Sowell contributed to the field of economics and was a highly intelligent and accomplished man in something at least moderately practical and useful, which is why people give him a lot of credence otherwise. He wasn't just a "guy with based opinions". Compare someone like Sowell with currently trending talking heads that a lot of young conservatives enjoy like Shapiro and whatever and maybe you'll understand why I consider Mishima with disdain, its not analogous here at all. Kuribayashi is closer to Sowell than Mishima,
Being an "idea guy" on its own means little generally, especially with regards to politics. I hope you don't also worship the popular meme philosophers who lived awful lives either.
My goodness man, yes, I'll stop talking with you after this final post on the matter, this conversation definitely has only reinforced my viewpoint that people who bother to give trending idiots like Mishima any positive attention are naive people without common sense to actually understand what a life well-lived actually entails (though I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for missing the trend apparently).
This has nothing to do with my reading comprehension; I'm aware you have your own viewpoints, but the viewpoints I have seen expressed here (which was the topic of the conversation to begin with), gives me such little faith in what you consider important and what you don't, that I cannot express anything but pity, disappointment, and an utter lack of surprise based on what I've seen out of people who follow such types of individuals.
There's a lot of bullshit salesmen out there, and Mishima was one of them. Doesn't matter if I happened to agree with a few of his positions, he was a loser who tricked morons into following him into failure and death, and you fail to see the irony of defending such a person here.
Good luck to you, I'm sure you'll need it.