I did not state "all feminists are Jews" or even "all the most prominent feminists are Jews". I stated that feminism is Jewish. It's different.
I think our disconnect here is that you may be a liberal who considers an ideology as being the sum of individual contributions; for me on the other hand an ethnicity has a cultural character, and therefore certain ideologies and world outlooks can be assigned to (and therefore claim that they come from) the ethnicity as a whole.
You need to look at the culture of a people, not at the individual contributors. A list of non-Jewish feminists means very little, even because it could easily be that the vast majority on that list are either cryptojews or married to Jews or pupils to Jews. But even if the majority of feminists were not Jews, that would not disprove my statement because feminism still comes from and is part of Jewish culture and it's not part of the traditional European culture.
I would say that the disconnect is that I can buy what you're presenting as an argument that could be made, but then we go back to my original point of: this meme doesn't do a good job of illustrating why Jewish influence is so important because all it does is name a bunch of Jews while seeming to ignore all the non-Jews. Yes, you can then argue that many of the non-Jews are Jewish influenced, but you should have been making that clear in the first place, not when someone says "hey, what about all the non-Jews, this argument doesn't make any sense." When you have to respond to that, you're fighting uphill since you opened yourself up to what appears to be a very big flaw in the argument.
I understand that your point is that the cultural foundations of feminism are Jewish. What I'm saying is that this meme does very little to illustrate that. It just demonstrates that there are a lot of famous Jewish feminists, and while that in itself is potentially noteworthy, it fails to rise to the standard of the "every aspect" claim that it is presenting without further elaboration. Any failure to substantiate a claim inherently weakens that claim in the eyes of those who witness that failure. Particularly on a topic like this that most people are predisposed to reject. It's like launching a boat with a hole in it just because you're pretty sure you can pump out the water as you go. That may be the case, but why not repair the hole before launching?
Edit: Having reread my initial comments, I have to admit I've unintentionally moved my goalposts a bit. The best summary of my current position after this conversation would be that I am willing to engage with the idea that feminism is heavily Jewish influenced, even to the degree that it may not exist without Jewish influence, but I'm not exactly sold on the idea and I don't think this meme convinces me. I don't think it actually puts forth that argument. It claims to, but it ultimately does nothing to explain why Jewish culture is hypothetically critical to this ideology; pointing out that there is a lot of a group involved in something doesn't prove that they originated it, just that it suits them for one reason or another.
Your post is very reasonable. However, you need to consider that we're talking about a meme. A meme is a form of communication that is intrinsically snappy, hyperbolic, and due to its format it can only give you a little nugget of information. A redpill, if you will. Its purpose is to trigger curiosity and prompt the viewer to do further research.
The Jewish question is an extremely complex topic, that will take you through politics, history, philosophy, and religion. You cannot expect a single meme to convince you of even a small aspect of the Jewish question. To acquire true knowledge, you must read books.
I really want to emphasize this point. One is not going to be able to understand how the world works by looking at memes, or even having discussions in this forum. The true source of knowledge must come from reading books. The forum is useful to refine arguments, check understandings, and have directions on what to research next; but it cannot be sufficient. I can tell quickly if I'm talking to someone who has opinions formed by reading books or if I'm talking to someone who only has a superficial knowledge acquired in online forums.
So while what you are saying is correct in a literal sense, in practice I think you're being too harsh in judging a meme. You wouldn't expect to learn everything about a topic by reading e.g. a newspaper article, would you? The claim of the meme "every single aspect of feminism is Jewish" is correct; it just doesn't have enough space to completely argue the case. That's up to the viewer to do his homeworks.
And in case you're wondering, here's a good reading list to understand the Jewish Question.
For example, the full explanation of the claim "Jews have opened the floodgates to mass immigration" is in the book The Culture of Critique. I'm afraid you'll need to read the whole book to understand the justifications for that statement; I can't put the content of a whole book into a meme.
I think that’s fair, my issue is that I think the presentation of this meme is flawed to the point that rather than being a gateway as intended, it’s unintentionally strawmanning its own argument. I would say that I am probably more open to the Jewish Question than many people on this particular board, and certainly more open to it than any normies, and yet my knee-jerk response was still “that’s an exaggeration, I know there are very influential non-Jews involved in this shit.” I don’t think that’s a difference of opinion that we can resolve in any objective way, though. It may be that you are correct and I’m being too harsh.
Thanks for the conversation. It’s nice to be able to have a civil discussion over differing opinions.
I did not state "all feminists are Jews" or even "all the most prominent feminists are Jews". I stated that feminism is Jewish. It's different.
I think our disconnect here is that you may be a liberal who considers an ideology as being the sum of individual contributions; for me on the other hand an ethnicity has a cultural character, and therefore certain ideologies and world outlooks can be assigned to (and therefore claim that they come from) the ethnicity as a whole.
You need to look at the culture of a people, not at the individual contributors. A list of non-Jewish feminists means very little, even because it could easily be that the vast majority on that list are either cryptojews or married to Jews or pupils to Jews. But even if the majority of feminists were not Jews, that would not disprove my statement because feminism still comes from and is part of Jewish culture and it's not part of the traditional European culture.
I would say that the disconnect is that I can buy what you're presenting as an argument that could be made, but then we go back to my original point of: this meme doesn't do a good job of illustrating why Jewish influence is so important because all it does is name a bunch of Jews while seeming to ignore all the non-Jews. Yes, you can then argue that many of the non-Jews are Jewish influenced, but you should have been making that clear in the first place, not when someone says "hey, what about all the non-Jews, this argument doesn't make any sense." When you have to respond to that, you're fighting uphill since you opened yourself up to what appears to be a very big flaw in the argument.
I understand that your point is that the cultural foundations of feminism are Jewish. What I'm saying is that this meme does very little to illustrate that. It just demonstrates that there are a lot of famous Jewish feminists, and while that in itself is potentially noteworthy, it fails to rise to the standard of the "every aspect" claim that it is presenting without further elaboration. Any failure to substantiate a claim inherently weakens that claim in the eyes of those who witness that failure. Particularly on a topic like this that most people are predisposed to reject. It's like launching a boat with a hole in it just because you're pretty sure you can pump out the water as you go. That may be the case, but why not repair the hole before launching?
Edit: Having reread my initial comments, I have to admit I've unintentionally moved my goalposts a bit. The best summary of my current position after this conversation would be that I am willing to engage with the idea that feminism is heavily Jewish influenced, even to the degree that it may not exist without Jewish influence, but I'm not exactly sold on the idea and I don't think this meme convinces me. I don't think it actually puts forth that argument. It claims to, but it ultimately does nothing to explain why Jewish culture is hypothetically critical to this ideology; pointing out that there is a lot of a group involved in something doesn't prove that they originated it, just that it suits them for one reason or another.
Your post is very reasonable. However, you need to consider that we're talking about a meme. A meme is a form of communication that is intrinsically snappy, hyperbolic, and due to its format it can only give you a little nugget of information. A redpill, if you will. Its purpose is to trigger curiosity and prompt the viewer to do further research.
The Jewish question is an extremely complex topic, that will take you through politics, history, philosophy, and religion. You cannot expect a single meme to convince you of even a small aspect of the Jewish question. To acquire true knowledge, you must read books.
I really want to emphasize this point. One is not going to be able to understand how the world works by looking at memes, or even having discussions in this forum. The true source of knowledge must come from reading books. The forum is useful to refine arguments, check understandings, and have directions on what to research next; but it cannot be sufficient. I can tell quickly if I'm talking to someone who has opinions formed by reading books or if I'm talking to someone who only has a superficial knowledge acquired in online forums.
So while what you are saying is correct in a literal sense, in practice I think you're being too harsh in judging a meme. You wouldn't expect to learn everything about a topic by reading e.g. a newspaper article, would you? The claim of the meme "every single aspect of feminism is Jewish" is correct; it just doesn't have enough space to completely argue the case. That's up to the viewer to do his homeworks.
And in case you're wondering, here's a good reading list to understand the Jewish Question. For example, the full explanation of the claim "Jews have opened the floodgates to mass immigration" is in the book The Culture of Critique. I'm afraid you'll need to read the whole book to understand the justifications for that statement; I can't put the content of a whole book into a meme.
I think that’s fair, my issue is that I think the presentation of this meme is flawed to the point that rather than being a gateway as intended, it’s unintentionally strawmanning its own argument. I would say that I am probably more open to the Jewish Question than many people on this particular board, and certainly more open to it than any normies, and yet my knee-jerk response was still “that’s an exaggeration, I know there are very influential non-Jews involved in this shit.” I don’t think that’s a difference of opinion that we can resolve in any objective way, though. It may be that you are correct and I’m being too harsh.
Thanks for the conversation. It’s nice to be able to have a civil discussion over differing opinions.