That the extreme overreaction to Andrew Tate so closely mirrors the overreaction to Jordan Peterson really exposes their detractors for what they are. The messaging from these two men could not be more different: there is really only one common message that they have both been consistent on, and it appears to be the message that upsets the regime the most: they seem to be absolutely horrified and furious that anybody would actually turn to young men and say, "You are not a piece of shit."
How does "it upsets the regime the most" apply to Peterson? The regime allowed him to rake in millions on mainstream platforms like YouTube and Patreon. Even within the framework of brainless contrarianism, Peterson never did come across as particularly threatening to "the regime" given the huge reach and profit he was allowed within the mainstream.
Tate is just the male, PUA equivalent of an OF THOT. He made a fortune pretending to care about lonely young men just like the THOTs do with their simps.
Peterson and Tate both became mainstream in spite of regime efforts to censor and suppress them, because their message resonated with too many people to keep it quiet.
You seem to be laboring under the misconception that the regime's control of mainstream discourse is so absolute that anybody who overcomes it must be a regime agent. The reason you believe this is because no voice which expresses your ideas about Jews has been able to enjoy that level of mainstream success, and you believe that you are so obviously correct that this can only be the result of a censorship campaign so efficient that it amounts to the internet equivalent of damnatio memoriae. You are incapable of considering the possibility that almost everyone outside of your stormfag echo chamber finds both you and your beliefs so repugnant that they simply refuse to engage with you.
Peterson and Tate both became mainstream in spite of regime efforts to censor and suppress them
Peterson stayed on countless mainstream platforms. You aren't contesting my claim that he did. Arbitrarily labeling allowing Peterson's mainstream access as "efforts to suppress" doesn't make it so. Your incorrect usage of words doesn't shape reality.
You seem to be laboring under the misconception that the regime's control of mainstream discourse is so absolute that anybody who overcomes it must be a regime agent.
You're putting words in my mouth now. I never said Tate was an agent of the regime. I said he was a shameless profiteer, like OF THOTs. The arguments against Peterson are also well-traveled here and are far more extensive than merely pointing out his mainstream access. I chose to highlight his lack of cancellation to contradict the BS narrative you are spouting here. It wasn't supposed to be a comprehensive case against him. That can be arranged.
The reason you believe this is because no voice which expresses your ideas about Jews has been able to enjoy that level of mainstream success
My views on Jews have a long history of being mainstream, actually. The world existed prior to the 1960s. Jew-worshipping bullshit is a recent phenomenon.
On race more widely, a majority of white Americans opposed interracial marriage into the 1990s. My grandparents were alive when nearly 100% of Americans opposed it.
you believe that you are so obviously correct that this can only be the result of a censorship campaign so efficient that it amounts to the internet equivalent of damnatio memoriae.
"Repeal the 19th" isn't exactly catching on, either. What's your excuse?
You are incapable of considering the possibility that almost everyone outside of your stormfag echo chamber finds both you and your beliefs so repugnant that they simply refuse to engage with you.
Are you challenging Peterson's own public comments about making millions of dollars off his public commentary? Are you claiming that white nationalists and critics of Jewish power haven't been censored?
Kanye West lost hundred of millions criticizing Jewish power. Peterson made millions of dollars on the regime's own mainstream platforms. You would have me believe that the former isn't a threat, but the latter is. Again, like Imp, you only apply the "regime is super threatened by this guy because it cancelled the shit out of him!" logic when it suits you.
You would have me believe that the former isn't a threat, but the latter is.
Yep. You are not a threat to their power.
Right now, simply for the purposes of this conversation, I am paying you the courtesy of assuming that you actually believe what you say you believe, although I genuinely believe most of you are feds. Even those of you who aren't, and who are actually stupid enough to unironically believe the modern world would benefit from repeating all of the ideological failures of the 20th century, contribute nothing of value to this or any other discussion that is actually worth having. Your entire purpose, whether you're aware of it or not, is to discredit forums like this one and generally undermine the quality of ideological discourse in dissident right spaces. Even those of you who are not regime agents are still regime agents. You are pathetic.
As is the case with all of the hyper-rich, most of Kanye West's money didn't actually exist in the form of material wealth, and so he lost nothing of actual value by speaking out the way he did. He's fine. All he achieved was to further prove how useless you all are.
Again, assuming you are sincere in your beliefs, what you refuse to accept is that people like me, who actually participate in spaces like this, are your next logical allies in ideological terms, but even we aren't okay with your bullshit. You are a form of discursive Kryptonite, so radioactive that you are incapable of convincing anybody who doesn't already agree with you. You can whine and bitch all you want: you will never achieve anything.
That the extreme overreaction to Andrew Tate so closely mirrors the overreaction to Jordan Peterson really exposes their detractors for what they are. The messaging from these two men could not be more different: there is really only one common message that they have both been consistent on, and it appears to be the message that upsets the regime the most: they seem to be absolutely horrified and furious that anybody would actually turn to young men and say, "You are not a piece of shit."
How does "it upsets the regime the most" apply to Peterson? The regime allowed him to rake in millions on mainstream platforms like YouTube and Patreon. Even within the framework of brainless contrarianism, Peterson never did come across as particularly threatening to "the regime" given the huge reach and profit he was allowed within the mainstream.
Tate is just the male, PUA equivalent of an OF THOT. He made a fortune pretending to care about lonely young men just like the THOTs do with their simps.
Peterson and Tate both became mainstream in spite of regime efforts to censor and suppress them, because their message resonated with too many people to keep it quiet.
You seem to be laboring under the misconception that the regime's control of mainstream discourse is so absolute that anybody who overcomes it must be a regime agent. The reason you believe this is because no voice which expresses your ideas about Jews has been able to enjoy that level of mainstream success, and you believe that you are so obviously correct that this can only be the result of a censorship campaign so efficient that it amounts to the internet equivalent of damnatio memoriae. You are incapable of considering the possibility that almost everyone outside of your stormfag echo chamber finds both you and your beliefs so repugnant that they simply refuse to engage with you.
Peterson stayed on countless mainstream platforms. You aren't contesting my claim that he did. Arbitrarily labeling allowing Peterson's mainstream access as "efforts to suppress" doesn't make it so. Your incorrect usage of words doesn't shape reality.
You're putting words in my mouth now. I never said Tate was an agent of the regime. I said he was a shameless profiteer, like OF THOTs. The arguments against Peterson are also well-traveled here and are far more extensive than merely pointing out his mainstream access. I chose to highlight his lack of cancellation to contradict the BS narrative you are spouting here. It wasn't supposed to be a comprehensive case against him. That can be arranged.
My views on Jews have a long history of being mainstream, actually. The world existed prior to the 1960s. Jew-worshipping bullshit is a recent phenomenon.
On race more widely, a majority of white Americans opposed interracial marriage into the 1990s. My grandparents were alive when nearly 100% of Americans opposed it.
"Repeal the 19th" isn't exactly catching on, either. What's your excuse?
Are you challenging Peterson's own public comments about making millions of dollars off his public commentary? Are you claiming that white nationalists and critics of Jewish power haven't been censored?
Kanye West lost hundred of millions criticizing Jewish power. Peterson made millions of dollars on the regime's own mainstream platforms. You would have me believe that the former isn't a threat, but the latter is. Again, like Imp, you only apply the "regime is super threatened by this guy because it cancelled the shit out of him!" logic when it suits you.
Yep. You are not a threat to their power.
Right now, simply for the purposes of this conversation, I am paying you the courtesy of assuming that you actually believe what you say you believe, although I genuinely believe most of you are feds. Even those of you who aren't, and who are actually stupid enough to unironically believe the modern world would benefit from repeating all of the ideological failures of the 20th century, contribute nothing of value to this or any other discussion that is actually worth having. Your entire purpose, whether you're aware of it or not, is to discredit forums like this one and generally undermine the quality of ideological discourse in dissident right spaces. Even those of you who are not regime agents are still regime agents. You are pathetic.
As is the case with all of the hyper-rich, most of Kanye West's money didn't actually exist in the form of material wealth, and so he lost nothing of actual value by speaking out the way he did. He's fine. All he achieved was to further prove how useless you all are.
Again, assuming you are sincere in your beliefs, what you refuse to accept is that people like me, who actually participate in spaces like this, are your next logical allies in ideological terms, but even we aren't okay with your bullshit. You are a form of discursive Kryptonite, so radioactive that you are incapable of convincing anybody who doesn't already agree with you. You can whine and bitch all you want: you will never achieve anything.