Headline is a lie. That is not what he said. Here are his words:
"For decades, we've had the very same people, such as Victoria Nuland and many others just like her obsessed with pushing Ukraine toward NATO, not to mention the State Department support for uprisings in Ukraine," said Trump.
Saying the State Department "supported" something does not mean that "Obama" was "behind" it.
"Support" can be as little as a perfunctory statement of support. Being "behind" something means that you were the fundamental cause of that thing happening. It's a much different allegation that the Ukrainians did not accomplish their uprising on their own, and that they were secretly masterminded and funded by the US, without which they would have failed. Trump didn't say any of those things. He made a very innocuous and obviously-true statement since "support" can mean very little.
Example:
"not to mention Wizard08's support for Donald Trump"
changed to:
"Dekachin says Wizard08 was behind Trump's 2016 election victory"
The way these coups work whether it’s in South America, the Middle East or Eastern Europe is the CIA, State Department, various NGOs go into a country and they find protesters. They look for people with legitimate issues they’re willing to protest and they provide these people with funding, training, supplies, and intelligence turning them into revolutionaries. That’s what the “support” is. These people are professionals when it comes to deposing or subverting governments while the locals are not. Then when the chaos ensues the professionals take over and install their puppet.
False. The US was not involved in Euromaidan at all. It was a purely Ukrainian domestic movement. Russians lie and claim otherwise - without evidence - in an effort to discredit Euromaidan as being the will of the Ukrainian people to overthrow a bought and paid for Russian puppet.
The way these coups work
How would you know? You've never participated in one, nor have you ever studied one. All your knowledge comes from left wing propagandists who just make shit up and lie.
the CIA, State Department, various NGOs go into a country and they find protesters.
False.
NGOs, while often lied about by enemy propagandists, have never done any such thing. They are not affiliated with the government, they're just private charities.
The State Dept does not do any such thing. Only the CIA is authorized to engage in subversive activities abroad.
The CIA used to engage in subversion until the 1970s or so, at which point the political Left became extremely hostile to it because it was undermining their precious communists, at which point the Democrats in the US went to war with the CIA to stop the CIA's subversive activities. Once Kissinger was gone, so was the CIA's anti-communist plotting activities. In the 1980s the Iran Contra affair utterly eradicated what little was left of these activities. The CIA simply has not been willing or able to engage in sneaky subversive activities ever since.
This idea that the CIA has been doing any of this shit in the last 30-40 years is simply a fantasy that exists only in the minds of Russians, Chinese, and other enemies of the US, and also far left wingers who are still butthurt over communism.
they find protesters
Has literally never happened, even back in the old days when the CIA did support a few coups.
They look for people with legitimate issues they’re willing to protest and they provide these people with funding, training, supplies, and intelligence turning them into revolutionaries.
False.
The few times the CIA did engage in coups, they didn't try to build their own people from the ground up, they just linked up with existing powerful factions. It simply is not possible for the CIA to build their own organization. It's too difficult to do, and the money involved from the CIA is a pittance compared to the money sloshing around internal to that country.
These people are professionals when it comes to deposing or subverting governments while the locals are not.
You imagine them to be so, but they are not. These are the same feds who armed the drug cartels on accident because they didn't understand how long batteries last.
The CIA is not any more competent than the FBI or any other federal agency. Basically all they have done for generations now is passive intelligence collection, most of which is liberal activist bullshit.
The vast majority of the intel gathering power of the United States comes from the NSA now using passive methods like satellites and data hoarding. The CIA is a shadow of its former self.
it's true the US staged a coup in Ukraine in 2014.
Nope, the Ukrainians rose up purely on their own, without any foreign assistance, based on the wills, hearts, and minds of the Ukrainian people. The only foreign interference in Ukraine in 2014 was from the Russian propaganda and espionage forces, which were puppeting the country through Viktor Yanukovych, who was acting on Russian orders, and promptly fled to Russia once Ukraine turned on him exactly like you'd expect from a puppet.
Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, which was highly popular among the Ukrainian people, is what triggered to backlash and uprising against him.
they could have just try to assassinate Zelenski and put their own puppet on the throne and avoid all that bloodshed.
They did try, and failed.
And this war began because Ukraine threw out Russia's puppet Yanukovych and Putin's response was an immediate military invasion.
And you can bet that as soon as it's clear Russia lost the war, Chechnya will secede again.
It's funny you're downvoted because your comment manages to piss off both sides.
Chechnya has been subject to Russian suppression for over 20 years. It's not going anywhere. It's a broken country and a broken people. The Chechens get their jollies murdering and raping civilians in Ukraine these days, including quite recently when they infamously raped a Russian television reporter Olga Zenkova.
All truth. Glad more and more people with reach are saying it.
Headline is a lie. That is not what he said. Here are his words:
Saying the State Department "supported" something does not mean that "Obama" was "behind" it.
"Support" can be as little as a perfunctory statement of support. Being "behind" something means that you were the fundamental cause of that thing happening. It's a much different allegation that the Ukrainians did not accomplish their uprising on their own, and that they were secretly masterminded and funded by the US, without which they would have failed. Trump didn't say any of those things. He made a very innocuous and obviously-true statement since "support" can mean very little.
Example:
"not to mention Wizard08's support for Donald Trump"
changed to:
"Dekachin says Wizard08 was behind Trump's 2016 election victory"
see how the meaning completely changes?
The way these coups work whether it’s in South America, the Middle East or Eastern Europe is the CIA, State Department, various NGOs go into a country and they find protesters. They look for people with legitimate issues they’re willing to protest and they provide these people with funding, training, supplies, and intelligence turning them into revolutionaries. That’s what the “support” is. These people are professionals when it comes to deposing or subverting governments while the locals are not. Then when the chaos ensues the professionals take over and install their puppet.
False. The US was not involved in Euromaidan at all. It was a purely Ukrainian domestic movement. Russians lie and claim otherwise - without evidence - in an effort to discredit Euromaidan as being the will of the Ukrainian people to overthrow a bought and paid for Russian puppet.
How would you know? You've never participated in one, nor have you ever studied one. All your knowledge comes from left wing propagandists who just make shit up and lie.
False.
NGOs, while often lied about by enemy propagandists, have never done any such thing. They are not affiliated with the government, they're just private charities.
The State Dept does not do any such thing. Only the CIA is authorized to engage in subversive activities abroad.
The CIA used to engage in subversion until the 1970s or so, at which point the political Left became extremely hostile to it because it was undermining their precious communists, at which point the Democrats in the US went to war with the CIA to stop the CIA's subversive activities. Once Kissinger was gone, so was the CIA's anti-communist plotting activities. In the 1980s the Iran Contra affair utterly eradicated what little was left of these activities. The CIA simply has not been willing or able to engage in sneaky subversive activities ever since.
This idea that the CIA has been doing any of this shit in the last 30-40 years is simply a fantasy that exists only in the minds of Russians, Chinese, and other enemies of the US, and also far left wingers who are still butthurt over communism.
Has literally never happened, even back in the old days when the CIA did support a few coups.
False.
The few times the CIA did engage in coups, they didn't try to build their own people from the ground up, they just linked up with existing powerful factions. It simply is not possible for the CIA to build their own organization. It's too difficult to do, and the money involved from the CIA is a pittance compared to the money sloshing around internal to that country.
You imagine them to be so, but they are not. These are the same feds who armed the drug cartels on accident because they didn't understand how long batteries last.
The CIA is not any more competent than the FBI or any other federal agency. Basically all they have done for generations now is passive intelligence collection, most of which is liberal activist bullshit.
The vast majority of the intel gathering power of the United States comes from the NSA now using passive methods like satellites and data hoarding. The CIA is a shadow of its former self.
Not sure who the fuck russians are killing but its not the ukrainians. They are all in Poland in their massive SUVs on a tax break.
Alacapocas is silly.
Nope, the Ukrainians rose up purely on their own, without any foreign assistance, based on the wills, hearts, and minds of the Ukrainian people. The only foreign interference in Ukraine in 2014 was from the Russian propaganda and espionage forces, which were puppeting the country through Viktor Yanukovych, who was acting on Russian orders, and promptly fled to Russia once Ukraine turned on him exactly like you'd expect from a puppet.
Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, which was highly popular among the Ukrainian people, is what triggered to backlash and uprising against him.
They did try, and failed.
And this war began because Ukraine threw out Russia's puppet Yanukovych and Putin's response was an immediate military invasion.
It's funny you're downvoted because your comment manages to piss off both sides.
Chechnya has been subject to Russian suppression for over 20 years. It's not going anywhere. It's a broken country and a broken people. The Chechens get their jollies murdering and raping civilians in Ukraine these days, including quite recently when they infamously raped a Russian television reporter Olga Zenkova.