There was this post by u/GeneralBoobs which was pretty highly upvoted (with no downvotes):
The jew is the leader, the army is literal nazis. If their grifter leader wasn't getting them money and weapons, he'd be dead.
I wonder about you in general, but I also answered him personally:
If he was a traitor to the nation, yes, of course the nationalists would depose him.
Which is very ironic since Putin believed how they would instantly depose Z out of their great love of Russia and desire to surrender. Or that he would just flee, as offered by the West as Russians were driving straight on Kyiv from 2 countries, and which he refused (just like Stalin didn't flee Moscow after some deliberation outside a train waiting for him, and the invaders were then repelled on the outskirts of Moscow just like they did in the suburbs of Kyiv, and a similar story with Izetbegovic in Sarajevo but the city center already, on the other hand Chiang did flee from Nanking and then it fell immediately, resulting in his main army and a lot of civs being captured and slaughtered practically without resistance - Warsaw was kind midway, as the national government fled the city and the country and the situation was hopeless, but the mayor remained to the end and led the defense even as "everyone" wanted to surrender: https://weekly.tvp.pl/63110549/everyone-was-in-favour-of-the-capitulation-of-warsaw-just-not-starzynski and the Germans executed him after the city fell).
Now, what would he need to do for you to not consider him a "grifter"?
I'm also wondering about your strong dislike of, to cite the thread title, "yellow and blue nazis". Ukraine is the only country in the world full of completely open white nationalists who are celebrated and in positions of power, and yet you hate it with a passion, despite this very here place being full of (failed) white nationalists in the countries like America where you are utterly despised by the general population and are being beaten and humiliated instead of being hailed by the crowds as "heroes" in the fight against commies and non-whites while marching in their columns with flags and torches.
Is it an envy from you guys, or just simply contrarianism above all?
The TVP (public TV, nationalist-government controlled) article that I posted has a link to a broken-English article titled "Is honor more important than peace? Would “we have grazed cows for the Germans on the Ural”, had it not been for Józef Beck?". It's about an option of us having been allied with the Nazis against the Bolsheviks and conquering Russia together, in exchange for Danzig and an Autobahn corridor to Prussia (and political-military independence). Quite some people today think we should have done this.
Maybe so.
Yeah, I wonder. I don't think GeneralBoobs is a white nationalist, but I have also seen actual white nationalists be anti-Ukraine. They probably think (correctly) that the white nationalists are used as cannon fodder while their sacrifices go towards establishing globalist hegemony in Ukraine.
You call it contrarianism, I call it common sense. The regime supports Ukraine (because it controls Ukraine). So I don't. That would be enough. But Ukraine is also a corrupt, puppet non-country, that has failed miserably for its people over the past 30 years. The economy is a miserable failure. It has been the aggressor, using cluster munitions against its own people. "Democratically" elected presidents have to flee for their lives. So. It was about time that the territory came home. Kharkov, Odessa and Kiev are Russian. Lwow and environs can be a pro-Russian buffer state.
Russia is also a corrupt country. But at least its people are doing better than Ukraine, and the regime does not have control there. So that's something.
Why won't you ever talk in this manner about these "own people" (who didn't consider themselves Ukraine's "own people") as aggresors using cluster munitions against Ukraine? Including their bombardments of the "Russian" cities that you just listed, killing whom they did do call the "own people".
It wasn't just artillerymen (and later pilots) from Russia doing that. It was also the separatists themselves, just armed by Russia with their Grads and Tornados to bombard the Donetsk suburbs and other cities, towns and villages.
I see you didn't listen Mariupol. Maybe because it doesn't really exist much anymore. While some other Donbas cities cities like Popasna now don't exist at all. Back when Russia was firing an average of 50,000 shells and rockets daily in early summer, one of the main targets was Popasna. There is no Popasna today.
Poroshenko didn't "flee for his life". When his cavalcade was attacked by the Literal Nazis, his bodyguards got beaten but as for him they only jumped on his car's hood. And he later returned (in January 2021), to be tried for treason, which didn't took place for obvious reasons and so now he leads his own militia against the regime (the Putin regime).
Neither did the Kurds consider themselves Iraqis, but that hasn't stopped the Americans from claiming that Saddam Hussein "gassed his own people". Which he did, with their aid.
If the rebels used cluster munitions, I condemn that. What do you want me to say?
Screw them too, if true.
This may shock you, but my attitude is not "war crimes are good if they are committed by my allies", like it is for the Americans. Also terrorism is good when they do it, like Nord Stream.
Because it's already in Russian hands.
I will say this though: Ukrainians have been claiming tens of thousands of civilian deaths in Mariupol alone. And yet when claiming civilian casualties for the entire conflict, it was suddenly a lot lower than that. Turns out, you can't really trust the people who claimed that the rocket that landed in Poland was Russian, trying to start World War III, to tell the truth.
Why were they shelling a town to begin with? Was the other side using it as a shield as with Mariupol?
I meant Yanukovic. You know, the "corrupt but 'democratically' elected" president.
That said, I find the charges against Poroshenko to be dubious at best. Guy ran on a peace platform, then terrorized the people of the Donbas for four years, and we're supposed to believe that he was super secretly in league with them?
Weren't the Russians, including but not limited to the former Ukrainian "own people" who decided to attack their own country, using cities "as shield" for the incidents that you whined about? Or was it happening in demilitarized areas, like Paris 1940? I really don't understand your rhetoric here at all.
Similar thing happened to for example Rubizhne earlier, and to Mariinka all year long (in addition to earlier years' attacks). Mariinka looks like WWI frontline cities, it's literally leveled, erased from existence and a moonscape.
And Russia bombed and shelled Russia (Chechnya in particular) extremely heavily with all sorts of weapons many years before they even started any trouble in Ukraine by arming the rebels and sending in the soldiers in unmarked uniforms while lying and denying about everything.
Which is also what they did in Chechnya, because the feds started the intervention (and it was an intervention, across an established border) with unmarked vehicles and soldiers pretending to be Chechens (beard and all). These guys got just slaughtered (well, many got captured, later released as a Chechen gesture or goodwill to Moscow), but hardly anyone even noticed. It was before the main invasion, a mission to do a coup in Grozny, organised by the FSK (KGB befor eit became FSB). Something like in Crimea, or Kabul earlier, only a total disaster. It's little known but really fascinating. Look it up. Moscow also lied to Grozny they're not going to invade if their guys are to be released, similar to their more recent lies in and about Ukraine, including in the run up to February 24 when they were lying how they're not going to invade. They just lie always, all the time. This is why there's the saying "never believe in anything until the Kremlin denied it".
America didn't aid Saddam with chemical weapons, the Egyptians did (having previously done it in Yemen, using Soviet-supplied chemical weapons against the Yemeni royalists). I already told you about it, you forget it was me and you're still peddiling retarded lies like nothing happned.
Yanukovych fled to Moscow with stolen money just because he wanted the stolen money. Notice how he didn't leave to his own supporters, and never showed up in Ukraine ever since. It's because his former supporters, even these who became rebels and collaborators, regard him as a thief and a traitor, and it's THEY who would just murder him if they could. His return under Russian protection (from them) would also demoralise them. They hate him the most.
Poroshenko didn't run "on peace platform" at all (wtf), and your "terrorizing" aka conflict came from both sides, as Ukraine began to resist.
I wish we (Poland) did Nord Stream. But in reality probably Russians did, which is anticlimactic.
I don't know. But there is no justification for repeatedly shelling the city center of Donetsk - even if there had been soldiers there, since they weren't trying to take the city anyway. Or bombing the city center of Lugansk.
Like the Americans. It's just that I expect people to lie when they're about to invade you. Warfare is deception after all.
How cheap. That's just the old alleged Bismarck saying "never believe anything until it is officially denied".
You claimed it, but why would anyone believe you on that score? You actually at one point that the American government cares about human life and people not starving, which is pretty retarded.
Regardless, at the very least Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people and the Americans didn't care. Because crimes against humanity are not crimes against humanity when it's their ally doing it. Same for shooting Russian POWs in the knees.
He could be literally Hitler, and it wouldn't justify him having to flee for his life because the "democratically" elected president feared for his life.
Man, you're normally so knowledgeable and intelligent, and then you spout crap like this, which makes you sound more ridiculous than the average fentanyl-smoking hobo in San Francisco.