Not really, no. Especially when the person is from US, where many people grew up with old school liberalism which has been, previously, imposed onto people just like rad lib ideology is.

Yes, I live in Europe, so pretty much the same. But given the fact that wokeness is now pushed and imposed, you can't say that anyone who adheres to liberalism as it used to be is a 'shitlib'.

Though I appreciate the use of that term. It was hilarious to me when I first saw GG use that term.

As opposed to illiberalism. I don't think fascists/communists/etc are a thing, something that the second use of liberalism as I've described it indicates. Not beyond the role those villains embody in relation to power.

But what is illiberalism? Does it describe a specific thing, or rather a whole range of things that are not liberalism?

People still believe in them.

Yes, but surely you don't, and it sounded like you did.

I believe in them in that they would be good things. It's just that we don't have them.

Marxists are a good example; meme villains, few of them exist, but the ones that do are fairly decent and illiberal.

Don't let other people on this sub hear you say that. I'm the only one here who might agree with you based on my own personal experience, and that's because I'm from the Middle East and it's not as passe there as here.