I wish you hadn't posted that link. I went through it a bit, and it just made me angry and sad. There really are people out there who refuse to accept that some men just have a bad life and it's left them burned out and jaded. That's without mentioning the self-important 'as a women' 'as a gay' posts that miss the point of the original question. What an irredeemable group of disgusting animals. I've never been more convinced that some portion of humanity does deserve to be enslaved.