I'll have to go unpack the "red & green" symbolism in my own time, with my ongoing deconstruction of my cultural Christianity.
The red and green is ancient pagan influence. It decorated homes for Saturnalia.
As much as normally hate Jews seething about christmas things and demanding secularization, and as much as I would normally agree with a Rabbi calling for accurate labelling, I am a pedantic fuck, and I refuse to concede that red and green is Christian, because it isn't.
In all honesty, very little of Christmas regalia has anything to do with Christianity and everything to do with various forms of pre-christian paganism.
It’s this kind of attitude though that allows for the destruction of Western ideals and customs like Christmas. Yes we all know Christmas has pagan origins and many of the traditions aren’t Christian, but who cares… many of us (including me) who are proudly Western & celebrate Christmas are ATHEISTS, we don’t care if it’s Christian or not, it’s WESTERN and is associated with family values, traditionalism, western culture, etc.
When we just say “oh well Christmas was pagan so who cares if we call it Christmas”, they replace it with “holiday” and say that it’s a ‘multicultural’ time of year that has nothing to do with the Western holiday of Christmas (or its European pagan antecedents), but is all about Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, etc.
Saturnalia is a dead holiday for a dead religion, it has no bearing on society. Diluting Christmas, though, has HUGE consequences. Christmas is basically the only traditional Western cultural stronghold left in this woke hellscape of a society. It’s the only time of year that makes degenerates think “wait, maybe family is important… maybe traditional values are important… maybe being selfless is important…”
Yes we all know Christmas has pagan origins and many of the traditions aren’t Christian, but who cares…
The pagan-Christian synthesis is actually a strength, and not a weakness.
Christianity did not erase everything that came before it, like wokeism does and as Islam tried to do by portraying it as Jahiliya.
It’s the only time of year that makes degenerates think “wait, maybe family is important… maybe traditional values are important… maybe being selfless is important…”
Don't assume that just because this woman (or troon, you can't be sure of anything these days) defended labelling something 'christmas' one time that they don't want to destroy christian culture.
The only thing 'christmas' about that train is the red and green, and it's combined with blue. What's blue? Hannukah. So why is this train 'christmas', but not hannukah?
When you label this train a christmas train instead of a holiday train, you are in effect saying that ANYTHING remotely linked to european celebrations of the solstice is christmas, and thus, not sufficiently secular. It doesn't snow in Israel, your snowflakes are christmas! Ban snowflakes from 'holiday' things!
This rabbi saw RGB lighting and decided it was too much christmas to be 'holidays'. Someone that salty isn't defending you, they're attacking you.
They're insisting that holiday train has too much christmas to be a holiday train. I'm telling you that holiday train doesn't have enough christmas to be a christmas train.
Don't assume that just because this woman (or troon, you can't be sure of anything these days) defended labelling something 'christmas' one time that they don't want to destroy christian culture.
Oh I know she wants to destroy it, that's not the point here. I was just saying I agree with her position on naming it a "Christmas Train", not that I agree with anything else she says.
The only thing 'christmas' about that train is the red and green, and it's combined with blue. What's blue? Hannukah. So why is this train 'christmas', but not hannukah?
Because Hanukkah is a minor holiday that has nothing to do with putting up lights at all, they just do it so their kids don't feel excluded at Christmas. Blue Christmas lights have existed far longer than any Jews were putting up "Hanukkah lights". In fact, electric-powered string lights were originally literally CREATED FOR Christmas lighting purposes.
When you label this train a christmas train instead of a holiday train, you are in effect saying that ANYTHING remotely linked to european celebrations of the solstice is christmas, and thus, not sufficiently secular.
Exactly. So what the hell is wrong with that? How do you think Christendom converted all the pagans a thousand years ago? By saying “oh you have those pagan solstice traditions, that has nothing to do with Christmas, so keep on doing that as a totally separate thing”?? No, the point of it is to continue to have Christmas be the predominant holiday, not to dilute it.
This rabbi saw RGB lighting and decided it was too much christmas to be ‘holidays’. Someone that salty isn’t defending you, they’re attacking you.
I didn’t say she was defending me, I was saying I coincidentally agree with that part of what she said.
The red and green is ancient pagan influence. It decorated homes for Saturnalia.
As much as normally hate Jews seething about christmas things and demanding secularization, and as much as I would normally agree with a Rabbi calling for accurate labelling, I am a pedantic fuck, and I refuse to concede that red and green is Christian, because it isn't.
In all honesty, very little of Christmas regalia has anything to do with Christianity and everything to do with various forms of pre-christian paganism.
It’s this kind of attitude though that allows for the destruction of Western ideals and customs like Christmas. Yes we all know Christmas has pagan origins and many of the traditions aren’t Christian, but who cares… many of us (including me) who are proudly Western & celebrate Christmas are ATHEISTS, we don’t care if it’s Christian or not, it’s WESTERN and is associated with family values, traditionalism, western culture, etc.
When we just say “oh well Christmas was pagan so who cares if we call it Christmas”, they replace it with “holiday” and say that it’s a ‘multicultural’ time of year that has nothing to do with the Western holiday of Christmas (or its European pagan antecedents), but is all about Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, etc.
Saturnalia is a dead holiday for a dead religion, it has no bearing on society. Diluting Christmas, though, has HUGE consequences. Christmas is basically the only traditional Western cultural stronghold left in this woke hellscape of a society. It’s the only time of year that makes degenerates think “wait, maybe family is important… maybe traditional values are important… maybe being selfless is important…”
Yes that is so annoying when people think they are owning you by pointing out the pagan origins
The pagan-Christian synthesis is actually a strength, and not a weakness.
Christianity did not erase everything that came before it, like wokeism does and as Islam tried to do by portraying it as Jahiliya.
Hm.
You are an optimistic one.
Don't assume that just because this woman (or troon, you can't be sure of anything these days) defended labelling something 'christmas' one time that they don't want to destroy christian culture.
The only thing 'christmas' about that train is the red and green, and it's combined with blue. What's blue? Hannukah. So why is this train 'christmas', but not hannukah?
When you label this train a christmas train instead of a holiday train, you are in effect saying that ANYTHING remotely linked to european celebrations of the solstice is christmas, and thus, not sufficiently secular. It doesn't snow in Israel, your snowflakes are christmas! Ban snowflakes from 'holiday' things!
This rabbi saw RGB lighting and decided it was too much christmas to be 'holidays'. Someone that salty isn't defending you, they're attacking you.
They're insisting that holiday train has too much christmas to be a holiday train. I'm telling you that holiday train doesn't have enough christmas to be a christmas train.
Oh I know she wants to destroy it, that's not the point here. I was just saying I agree with her position on naming it a "Christmas Train", not that I agree with anything else she says.
Because Hanukkah is a minor holiday that has nothing to do with putting up lights at all, they just do it so their kids don't feel excluded at Christmas. Blue Christmas lights have existed far longer than any Jews were putting up "Hanukkah lights". In fact, electric-powered string lights were originally literally CREATED FOR Christmas lighting purposes.
Exactly. So what the hell is wrong with that? How do you think Christendom converted all the pagans a thousand years ago? By saying “oh you have those pagan solstice traditions, that has nothing to do with Christmas, so keep on doing that as a totally separate thing”?? No, the point of it is to continue to have Christmas be the predominant holiday, not to dilute it.
I didn’t say she was defending me, I was saying I coincidentally agree with that part of what she said.