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Latest Establishment Talking Point: Political Parties Aren't Government Actors (twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by Gizortnik 3 years ago by Gizortnik +59 / -0
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– Gizortnik [S] 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

They aren't good at protecting from censorship as a result of privatizing the public square.

The public square can't be private. This is not an issue of there being 'fuzziness', this shit was understood over a century ago regarding Company Towns. It's just the bureaucrats within the state pretending to be retarded on purpose. It's the same shit they play with definitions regarding all old laws that stand in their way. "a well regulated militia means that only the government can own weapons!" style.

A state actor is an intentionally broad term. It's why being forced by your school to scan your room visually with a camera was considered a violation of your rights regarding unreasonable search and seizure. The test proctor for your school is a state actor.

The political party activists, acting in the interests of members of the state are state actors. In fact, by complying with these voluntary requests by government bureaucrats Twitter is operating as a state actor. It's not just that Twitter interfered in the election it's that the government did. That's been well established by over 100 years of legal precedent that the state is pretending never happened and was ill defined.

Two words that never get spoken anymore by anyone on the Left, and their absence has been loudly noted: "chilling effect".

It means that even behaviors by the state that aren't censorious, but could promote self-censorship, are violations of the 1st Amendment. They know good and god damned well that it exists, and they are pretending to have never heard of it.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Is Twitter the public square? Should it be?

It means that even behaviors by the state that aren't censorious, but could promote self-censorship, are violations of the 1st Amendment.

Do you think the state should not be allowed to declare beliefs such as White supremacy to be terrorist threats?

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– Gizortnik [S] 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

And no, Twitter shouldn't be the public square, but like with the Company Towns, the government sought to make it so.

No, the first amendment protects from viewpoint discrimination by the state. The power of viewpoint discrimination is far too likely to abuse for it to be only wielded against incompatible ideologies.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

And no, Twitter shouldn't be the public square

Which would then mean they could censor whatever they want, no?

with the Company Towns, the government sought to make it so

I'm not sure what you mean here.

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– Gizortnik [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

If they weren't the public square.

Company towns were built with the subsidization of the state, such that all property and businesses were owned by the mining company themselves. They were "Corporate Plantations Campuses" if you will, but you couldn't even buy food that wasn't owned by the company.

SCOTUS actually asserted over a hundred years ago that under such conditions, the company was effectively a state actor, and was required to abide by the constitution, even if the business was privately run.

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