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Honest question: Why is everybody so piqued about the Trump/Kanye/Fuentes/Tim Pool thing?
posted 3 years ago by xleb2 3 years ago by xleb2 +36 / -0

I give no shits about who Trump lets into his house for dinner - his house his business. How did beanie boy insert himself into the drama?

Why is everybody talking about this? Enlighten me.

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– Gizortnik 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

Thing is, I seem has engaging in option 2, not 4.

I get really annoyed at the argument that we should stop talking about voting integrity, since the problem isn't stopping. At the very least, we need to publicly make these crimes transparent, and expose them enough to adapt.

We have seen places start to clean up their voting mechanisms, that's good. We've also seen that getting the ballot harverster's meta-data on their cellphones was legal, do-able, and caused a fucking panic. That's going to force them to change strategy. We don't have issues of poll watches being forced out by the police and being removed, that's an indication of a change of strategy.

I'd like to see some implementations of countering-fraud that don't involve the co-operation of criminal counties. For example: refusing to release the results until all counties have finished reporting in that they've finished their counts (that way the fraudulent counties don't know what numbers they have to get to).

But instead, I get a whole shit load of "Stop being a big baby about voting integrity. That's some 2020 nonsense. Move on."

I'm not saying to make it a wedge issue. It shouldn't be a wedge issue, 100% of Republicans should understand it's a problem. What I'm saying is that we can't just say "hur dur Trump dismissed cases, therefore Maricopa perfect" like Heretic is basically saying, which I see all the time. And we also have to be able to implement anti-fraud strategies that don't require the co-operation of our enemies.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

It's not about arresting anyone. No one was gonna get arrested. Check that, they did arrest someone. They arrested the people whom D'nesh worked with whom refused to identify their sources.

That is the level of structural resistance we are talking about here. That's what actually documenting the criminality gets you in response. Trump isn't in government, so he can't actually pass anything.

Instead, we have to focus on tearing up the Republican primaries, getting populists nominated, trying to get the populists into positions of power, then changing the voting laws in order to start fixing it. In many states, parts of that have been done, and some laws have been changed.

Turning around and shitting on Trump for that really doesn't make any sense. It's like Ann Coulter's crazy "Trump never built the wall" nonsense, when he had to deal with it being intentionally stalled for months then she rejected the wall was built when it was.

You need to have a reasonable expectation.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

You're not getting it.

Okay, you tell me: How is Trump, who is not in office, going to pass a bill in the state Arizona, that would allow counties not to report their results until all counties finished counting?

You need to answer that specific question in order to demonstrate you understand why I don't have complaints about "why Trump isn't doing what you say he needs to be doing".

Do you think he’s an example of a prime populist candidate who would have fixed anything if he got in?

I think he's an easy Trump loyalist. His slimyness, makes him predictable.

Even if the law changes that have happened are enough to get Trump into the White House past the fraud in 2024, that will be a happy coincidence, not because he was the driver of those changes.

Right, so back to the Black-Pilled Bed Wetting scenario. If Trump isn't the driving force... .... .... oh yes, right, of course, Mitt Romney will be the driving force behind election integrity. Oh no, wait. No one is going to be the driving force behind any of it. So we return to: "shut up, stop talking about it, let it happen".

so why are you accepting of someone who so consistently picked and picks utter duds?

Are you sure you're not a neo-liberal? I definitely get the vibe that you're going to tell me we need real leadership from real conservatives with winning track records like Mike DeWine.

Every pathway you are drawing here leads one way: Give up on election integrity, remove Ron DeSantis from the Florida governor's race, and kill the entire populist movement all at once because populism just isn't popular with moderates and independents. We just need to vote more progressive, then we can win all the elections we want. We need a conservative strategy similar to what the Brits have in the UK. Boris Johnson is how we know we're winning.

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