The other half of my out of town visit from my other recent post was basically this. Like sitting around listening to women talk about how no one does anything for them that's good enough even when people have done tons for them. These being the same people they "love" so much yet never say anything positive about. I can't help but sitting there thinking it's all so selfish. I'd never go as far to say it's all women, but these attitudes are sure present in a huge percentage of them.