Oh my dude, but I'm trying to point you out to this very "using cluster munitions in civilian areas" after the first year (when the Ukrainian military was a total Soviet shit just like the Russian one is today). That's literally what I keep asking you for. You had boldly proclaimed that the West were "pointing it out" (where it = your fictional "terrorizing Donbas" with "cluster bombing of civilian areas") all these years. I just want you to point me out to this "pointing out". Do it, or if you can't then make the thread about how you were fooled, and by whom.
Oh my dude, but I'm trying to point you out to this very "using cluster munitions in civilian areas" after the first year
Interesting. Do you condemn their use in 'the first year'?
(when the Ukrainian military was a total Soviet shit just like the Russian one is today).
I wonder what changed, and why Russia would feel threatened by that.
You had boldly proclaimed that the West were "pointing it out" all these years
LOL! The corrupt West, pointing anything out about their allies? No, I said that even Western-backed 'human rights' organizations and media admitted it.
Do it, or if you can't then make the thread about how you were fooled, and by whom.
Is that going to be the standard when you turn out to be wrong about this ridiculous puppet non-country?
I've been already condemning it when it was happening. I've been also seeing a lot of shades from Croatia 1991 and Chechnya 1994 (also with the shared use of Soviet terminology "anti-terrorist operation" and "illegal armed formations"). I was extremely afraid it can end in an ethnic slaughter.
Not reading the rest, because I don't see any links. Give me the links, or make the thread about how you were fooled and by whom.
I've been already condemning it when it was happening
Good for you. I never saw you condemn any step by that ridiculous non-country, except in criticizing it for not being belligerent enough, so I thought you simply didn't do it.
Obviously, I also condemn Russian atrocities like leveling cities to the ground, even if Ukraine decides to make cities their human shields (which you will deny, I know) like it did Mariupol.
Not reading the rest, because I don't see any links. Give me the links,or make the thread about how you wer fooled and by whom.
Here's an example of me talking about these things years ago (from one thread, I do miss modding CombatFootage):
Donetsk in general gave me a lot of deja vu, including the Ukrainian authorities' use of the very same Soviet jargon ("terrorist band formations" for the enemy, "Anti-Terrorist Operation" ATO for the war), also thing like armored columns being stopped by civilans early in the conflict. I'm happy it never descended into anything really ugly there and human losses were also limited to only about 10,000 killed or so. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/7bpfy2/comment/dpkdd6a/
It was eerily like that - government buildings and the police and military bases being taken over by at first mostly unarmed mobs of revolutionaries, crowds of babushkas turning back armored columns, releasing POWs to moms, the "ATO" and other Soviet style talk including fantasy casualty figures from the government, all the talk about the troops "coming to our land" by rebels, the Soviet style "hero fortress city" of Slavyansk just like Grozny or the "eternal fortress" Bamut, rampant religious iconography (including, to quote, "Orthodox Jihad"), strange political leaders and eccentric warlords with confused and confusing ideologies, foreign fighters, and so forth. Even https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br2e9b5wn80 was like one story just like that in Chechnya (except social media of course). There were even hundreds of Chechens involed (on both sides) to keep things even more familiar. Also "Polish snipers and American mercenaries" (supposedly working for Ukrainians) replaced the old "Baltic female snipers and negro mercenaries" in the Russian dread fantasies. As I said, it didn't really escalate and the destruction and death toll have been kept quite limited.
Now, your links (that you can't provide, I know). Either the links, or the thread about who and how filled you so much. It will be a cautionary thread for the others like you.
Briefly explain the propaganda technique of The Big Lie.
Describe what exactly was what they made you falsely to believe, how it happened and who did it to you (roughly speaking if you don't remember exactly).
Caution the people not to be easily followed like you were (you may use "trust and verify", a Russian phrase).
You will then link to this thread in a reply to this comment.
Oh my dude, but I'm trying to point you out to this very "using cluster munitions in civilian areas" after the first year (when the Ukrainian military was a total Soviet shit just like the Russian one is today). That's literally what I keep asking you for. You had boldly proclaimed that the West were "pointing it out" (where it = your fictional "terrorizing Donbas" with "cluster bombing of civilian areas") all these years. I just want you to point me out to this "pointing out". Do it, or if you can't then make the thread about how you were fooled, and by whom.
Interesting. Do you condemn their use in 'the first year'?
I wonder what changed, and why Russia would feel threatened by that.
LOL! The corrupt West, pointing anything out about their allies? No, I said that even Western-backed 'human rights' organizations and media admitted it.
Is that going to be the standard when you turn out to be wrong about this ridiculous puppet non-country?
I've been already condemning it when it was happening. I've been also seeing a lot of shades from Croatia 1991 and Chechnya 1994 (also with the shared use of Soviet terminology "anti-terrorist operation" and "illegal armed formations"). I was extremely afraid it can end in an ethnic slaughter.
Not reading the rest, because I don't see any links. Give me the links, or make the thread about how you were fooled and by whom.
Good for you. I never saw you condemn any step by that ridiculous non-country, except in criticizing it for not being belligerent enough, so I thought you simply didn't do it.
Obviously, I also condemn Russian atrocities like leveling cities to the ground, even if Ukraine decides to make cities their human shields (which you will deny, I know) like it did Mariupol.
Convenient.
I don't see any links. Give me the links, or write the thread about who fooled you so and how.
Here's an example of me talking about these things years ago (from one thread, I do miss modding CombatFootage):
Now, your links (that you can't provide, I know). Either the links, or the thread about who and how filled you so much. It will be a cautionary thread for the others like you.
That guy you quote sounds level-headed and reasonable. Try to sound like that more often.
No links. So, you need to write a thread.
In this thread you will:
Briefly explain the propaganda technique of The Big Lie.
Describe what exactly was what they made you falsely to believe, how it happened and who did it to you (roughly speaking if you don't remember exactly).
Caution the people not to be easily followed like you were (you may use "trust and verify", a Russian phrase).
You will then link to this thread in a reply to this comment.