Politico Saying The Quiet Part Out Loud
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And there have been men who have killed abortion clinic doctors because they kill babies for a living. Once again I have no qualms saying I hate feminized men, this covers everyone you just claimed, but it is not the 90% you claimed, that was a fallacious claim. So once again, who other than the mother has the choice legally? This idea that only mothers can commit abortion is a lie, men have forced abortions throughout history. What IS UNIQUE is the overwhelming amount of ELECTIVE abortions in 50 years, so much so that even taking only a third of the total as true elective abortions still makes modern women the most violent group in human history. Think about that, there has not been a genocide as efficient as elective abortions. All male violence in the history of the US combined does not reach 1/3 of abortions in 50 years.
How many abortions have men committed?
Many, many abortionists are men. A method of abortion is banned under the original Hippocratic oath. I hold those who do the acts to the same standard. Women who seek abortion and those who provide are equally contemptible. Historically men and women have been abortion providers. It is only men today in western society who have no legal say in abortion. China has no problem aborting babies without female consent. I also hate China. Abortion in any form is inarguably homicide, which is why it is necessary to delineate elective versus medical. Elective is the choice to terminate a life and medical is inherently self defense, the life of another is causing immediate physical harm and unfortunately in many of those cases the only rational and safe option is to terminate. But the idea we can utilize surgery to separate conjoined twins in the womb early yet not identify the fetuses as separate lives is insane.
What?
I can't believe I need to say this, but you and another person are in fact, two different people. As such, you can do things to yourself that you can't do to another person.
It doesn't. If a woman poisons a pregnant woman to trigger an abortion, that is illegal.
You keep comparing like and unlike actions. A more convincing argument might be to compare the rate at which men and women shove pregnant women down flights of stairs, poison them, and otherwise assault them in order to kill their fetuses. Alas, you have made no such comparisons.
And before you bitch about me equating men's political support for abortion with performing the act, I will once again remind you that I have to do that to an extent to compare men and women's contributions to abortion because there is no possible way for a man to get pregnant and thus have an abortion.
Do you have anything new to add, or are you going to keep repeating the same retarded shit over and over again? I'm getting tired of dealing with the thread depth crap.
You have to be retarded. I’ve got it now, you literally believe the fetus and the woman are the same person. You keep saying men can not commit abortion because they are not hosting the fetus. Again factually incorrect. Here’s your homework, define life, define agency. You clearly have some very bad delusions. You keep arguing that men cannot commit abortion, but men according to you made abortion legal so they also made men forcing illegal. Tell me how many times do you have to be wrong?
Men don't just exist under abortion laws. Men support them to nearly the extent that women do.
A woman and a fetus are treated differently by the legal system. Men support this distinction nearly as strongly as women do.
There is nothing a man can possibly do to "abort" a fetus without the pregnant woman's consent that would be legal if another woman committed the act instead of a man. If a woman poisons a different, pregnant woman or punches a woman in the gut or whatever, that is illegal even though it's a woman doing it.
Again, you’re entire basis is fraudulent, this is the fun part now, you just claimed the woman is the fetus. A man feeding an abortion pill to a woman is illegal, a woman feeding an abortion pill to herself is not. Why does the life stop existing when the pill is in the woman's hands? Nothing has changed in the anatomy of anyone in either depiction, yet you claim one is murder and one is not.
Given men's professed support for abortion, there is little to reason to think that, if men get somehow get pregnant, they would abort babies at anything other than a slightly lower rate than women do.
You keep harping on the same shit, but your case makes no sense because human reproduction is definitively and materially unequal. You are condemning women for doing something only women are capable of doing. Giving someone an abortion pill without their consent is poisoning. Again, poisoning someone is not the same is going to a clinic and getting a legal procedure done, and said procedure has been legal with nearly the same amount of support from men as it has from women.
Poisoning doesn’t change definition dependent on whose doing it. Again you are grasping at every little thing to stay in your bubble and deny the facts. “If men could get pregnant” is an irrational argument, because then men would be women and I hate them, so you have nullified your own hypothetical because you can’t see beyond your own nose. To say I can’t hate a gender for the actions they took unequivocally on their own is irrational. Once again do we blame all Germans for the actions of the nazis encampments? You clearly do as simply existing under abortion laws apparently makes you complicit. You of course would never make this excuse for any male and even explicitly say so. You say a man taking the same action as a woman to kill a fetus is illegal and different. It is not by any rational metric them woman is not harming just herself. Your entire argument is theoretical and based on proven junk science like polling. Once again, name anyone that has the legal recourse to commit elective homicide other than women? Name any group in history that has electively committed more murder than women. You are frankly pathetic in how you squirm trying to rationalize murder simply because of a vagina.
Give me some data besides your endless whining about the abortion count. How supportive do you think men are of abortion? How does it compare to women's support? You keep ignoring that, regardless of what the "true" percent of men is, the preponderance of the evidence shows minimal gap between men and women.
That's not having an abortion. That's committing assault/battery/murder. Of course only a tiny portion of men will do that vs. the number of women who just drive to a clinic.
Actually if you look under the medical definitions of what an abortion is its any expulsion of a fetus resulting in its death, the verbiage of changes, some use time frames ~20-22 weeks. What is consistent is that abortion is the expulsion of a fetus. So men can commit abortion, it is just not legal, as you say it is listed as murder. So once again, who has the complete legal choice to knowingly commit homicide by every legal definition? Even if it was granted and supported by weak men They still chose. Every time women are granted the apple they bite.