Remember when the Swedes occupied Finland for 600 years, suppressed the speaking of the Finnish language and began colonizing whole regions of the country?
Remember how after they gained their independence from Russia, the Finns fought a brilliant guerilla war against the Soviets in order to prevent their country from being subsumed by another foreign empire?
And their defense against that is to give up their political, military and economic sovereignty, first to the EU, and now to NATO, alongside the country that used to be their imperial overlord?
Every country in NATO has lost their sovereignty except the US, because every country in NATO has effectively outsourced its national defense to the US. And that model doesn't even work well for the Americans.
Finland just fucked itself by choosing a side when they could have remained politically neutral, which is all the Russians wanted from them. It's all the Russians wanted from Ukraine, too, but our glorious leaders couldn't stop financing coups and installing leaders more favorable to them.
You are deliberately and dishonestly conflating Russians and Soviets as if they're the same thing. The USSR was an ideological, expansionist globalist power that more readily resembles the monstrosity that has subsumed the West in the past couple of decades. Russia is a regional power with a strong sense of nationalism that has reacted to incessant provocations from NATO in the only rational way it could. If NATO didn't want this to happen, then it should have stayed the fuck away from Ukraine.
So far, Nato hasn't caused problems to any of its members. It certainly helped keep them safe from Russian meddling for the most part. I am saying most part because Russia still kidnapped Estonian citizen, still invades or violates airspace, territorial waters and land of nato member countries... But it would be far worse if they weren't nato. We just have to look at Moldova, Ukraine and Georgia as examples. Even in small parts Chechnya too.
Remember when the Swedes occupied Finland for 600 years, suppressed the speaking of the Finnish language and began colonizing whole regions of the country?
Remember how after they gained their independence from Russia, the Finns fought a brilliant guerilla war against the Soviets in order to prevent their country from being subsumed by another foreign empire?
Finland doesn't remember.
It does, that's why they don't want to be victim of yet another soviet or Russian invasion.
And their defense against that is to give up their political, military and economic sovereignty, first to the EU, and now to NATO, alongside the country that used to be their imperial overlord?
I don't see any nato country lose their sovereignty... Do you?
The Finns are well aware of how bad Russians are. They don't want a repeat.
Frankly, just listen to most former soviet countries people and you will see their disdain and sometimes even hatred towards the Russians.
Every country in NATO has lost their sovereignty except the US, because every country in NATO has effectively outsourced its national defense to the US. And that model doesn't even work well for the Americans.
Finland just fucked itself by choosing a side when they could have remained politically neutral, which is all the Russians wanted from them. It's all the Russians wanted from Ukraine, too, but our glorious leaders couldn't stop financing coups and installing leaders more favorable to them.
You are deliberately and dishonestly conflating Russians and Soviets as if they're the same thing. The USSR was an ideological, expansionist globalist power that more readily resembles the monstrosity that has subsumed the West in the past couple of decades. Russia is a regional power with a strong sense of nationalism that has reacted to incessant provocations from NATO in the only rational way it could. If NATO didn't want this to happen, then it should have stayed the fuck away from Ukraine.
You’re not wrong. But it’s making a deal with the devil.
So far, Nato hasn't caused problems to any of its members. It certainly helped keep them safe from Russian meddling for the most part. I am saying most part because Russia still kidnapped Estonian citizen, still invades or violates airspace, territorial waters and land of nato member countries... But it would be far worse if they weren't nato. We just have to look at Moldova, Ukraine and Georgia as examples. Even in small parts Chechnya too.