So the traditional answer for these two groups (at least the ones in America) has always been "businesses have the right to fore any employee for any reason".
Now I get the sense that with the massive corporate abuse of power on free speech as well as this subject, opinions may be shifting.
But I am very interested in knowing what people think about this and why.
Since I am neither a conservative, libertarian or American, I don't think businesses even have a right to know whether or not an employee is vaccinated. To me, it is common sense that this is private medical information, as it is considered to be here in Europe (they created a crappy app that does not reveal if you get a green pass because you're recovered, vaccinated or tested).
I think this attitude is a major source of pathology. Cancel culture, in essence, exists because companies can fire employees for very bad reasons. If people knew that it is legally impossible for a company to fire someone for bad (actually good) opinions, they would not even try to get that person fired, since they would not want to give that person a $100 million payout.
And I know that this also has downsides: bureaucratic red tape and businesses being more hesitant to hire when these rules get outrageous (as in countries like France), but for the more moderate countries in Northern Europe, in my view the benefits vastly outweigh the costs.
I actually agree with you pretty much completely, here, which is saying something…
Coming from an Australian perspective, what you have in Europe seems utterly admirable. We don’t have those protections here, though we are also not as, umm, extreme, as America (or indeed NZ)…
And I’ve been fired for a “no fault” situation (without going into detail - calling a supervisor out for bullying, who then proceeded to attempt to assault me, amusingly), so… To say I would’ve fucking loved those sorts of protections… Is putting it mildly.
Seeing some of the comments here (from Americans, presumably) genuinely alarms me, though I guess I shouldn’t be surprised…
I literally do not see the world in the same way as many people here do, which is… Let’s go with “interesting”.
Consevatives tend to forget that while people don't owe them anything on a personal level, the business is not their person.
Yup, I agree. The responses to this post, from some of our... "Regulars", are, uhh, enlightening, to say the least...
"Cultural differences" be damned, some of the responses here, specifically seemingly mostly from "Americans" are... Absolutely whack.
Does anyone really believe that some of this shit would ever fly? That a business which pays its workers $1 an hour would actually attract a LOCAL workforce, vis a vis cheap immigrant labour, which some people here also complain about, in the next paragraph..?
Come on, guys, that is not how economics works... facepalm
But yeah, anyway, you're right. It's just that some people here post the most bizarre, pseudo-intellectual shit, sometimes, as we can see from the post replies here...
Despite what people say, Mitt Romney, (former republican candidate for president and current senator aka, upper house of congress) said while campaigning. "Corporations are people."
Someone in the crowd told him "No, they're not."
Romney: "Yes they are, my friend, yes they are."
These kind of assholes honestly believe that their businesses are part of who they are on some metaphysical level instead of a just another part of the social contract.
You got it. Businesses should not be allowed to discriminate, period.