Man, they're so creepy that I'm pretty certain the agnostic-me of 8 years ago would agree they're Satanic.
Yeah it's a "provocative" ad run, they're nothing new, and Christians have undoubtedly called other ads or other mass-media satanic too. But I can't think of a run I've ever seen that just oozed "this is wrong" from every pore of its being.
It's a bit strange, but I think the context makes a bit more sense.
As I understand it, one of Christ's strongest apostles approaches him and tells him not to go to Jerusalem because he is sure to die. That someone else should go, so that he may live. Christ rejects this and accepts the responsibility of likely dying for the salvation of all mankind. He rejects this by saying something closer to "Get behind me, deceiver." As if to say: "You are not acting like yourself. Get back in line, follow me and support me to my destiny; and do no try to dissuade me from my responsibility."
The phrase has taken on a mystical form as later interpretations see the apostle as being possessed by Satan as a last ditch effort to stop Christ from saving mankind. In this incarnation, Christ sees the efforts of Satan, and literally calls him out. In this way, Christ is identifying that the apostle's loss of faith in Jesus's destiny is the work of Satan to actually stop him.
I like this interpretation a bit more because it poses a very interesting psychological dynamic. The lord of darkness, true evil, an apparently insurmountable force, can simply be called out and rejected. That evil is a choice. Christ didn't use any real magical incantations, he just called Satan's bluff.
To a Christian, this can be seen as the actual power of Christ in Christians. In the face of the most powerful evil to ever exist, all you have to do is command it to fuck off. That simple choice is enough to defeat the most powerful machinations of the most evil things to ever exist.
Now sure, you can't just use it as a magical incantation to not get shot or something, but it exists to remind you that the path of evil and darkness can simply be avoided by rejecting it as soon as you see it. It is an incredibly empowering statement, that could be summarized as "fuck off, devil".
First of all, I did not expect a detailed reply to my jokey comment. However, I appreciate it.
That evil is a choice.
This is the thing. From what I have read in the Bible, this is the thing. We all have a choice.
I really don't like the view that people do evil because of demon possession, or something that denies human agency. That absolves individuals of their guilt and casts them as meat puppets in a play put on by powers to which they cannot help but to submit.
In my understanding of Christianity, the whole point is that we are free to choose, so there is no out with "the Devil made me do it," there is only the choice you have made, for which you are responsible.
I really don't like the view that people do evil because of demon possession, or something that denies human agency. That absolves individuals of their guilt and casts them as meat puppets in a play put on by powers to which they cannot help but to submit.
yeah, it's a bit of mysticism to explain the emotional pull of doing things that are going to get you into trouble.
Even as an anti-theist, it's not actually possible for me to disagree beyond semantics.
"Get Thee Behind Me, Satan!"
Man, they're so creepy that I'm pretty certain the agnostic-me of 8 years ago would agree they're Satanic.
Yeah it's a "provocative" ad run, they're nothing new, and Christians have undoubtedly called other ads or other mass-media satanic too. But I can't think of a run I've ever seen that just oozed "this is wrong" from every pore of its being.
I think part of it has to do with the inhuman photoshopping of people that is triggering a disgust or alarm reaction in people.
I never understood that idiom. The last thing I want is the deceiver of the whole world where I can't see him.
It's a bit strange, but I think the context makes a bit more sense.
As I understand it, one of Christ's strongest apostles approaches him and tells him not to go to Jerusalem because he is sure to die. That someone else should go, so that he may live. Christ rejects this and accepts the responsibility of likely dying for the salvation of all mankind. He rejects this by saying something closer to "Get behind me, deceiver." As if to say: "You are not acting like yourself. Get back in line, follow me and support me to my destiny; and do no try to dissuade me from my responsibility."
The phrase has taken on a mystical form as later interpretations see the apostle as being possessed by Satan as a last ditch effort to stop Christ from saving mankind. In this incarnation, Christ sees the efforts of Satan, and literally calls him out. In this way, Christ is identifying that the apostle's loss of faith in Jesus's destiny is the work of Satan to actually stop him.
I like this interpretation a bit more because it poses a very interesting psychological dynamic. The lord of darkness, true evil, an apparently insurmountable force, can simply be called out and rejected. That evil is a choice. Christ didn't use any real magical incantations, he just called Satan's bluff.
To a Christian, this can be seen as the actual power of Christ in Christians. In the face of the most powerful evil to ever exist, all you have to do is command it to fuck off. That simple choice is enough to defeat the most powerful machinations of the most evil things to ever exist.
Now sure, you can't just use it as a magical incantation to not get shot or something, but it exists to remind you that the path of evil and darkness can simply be avoided by rejecting it as soon as you see it. It is an incredibly empowering statement, that could be summarized as "fuck off, devil".
First of all, I did not expect a detailed reply to my jokey comment. However, I appreciate it.
This is the thing. From what I have read in the Bible, this is the thing. We all have a choice.
I really don't like the view that people do evil because of demon possession, or something that denies human agency. That absolves individuals of their guilt and casts them as meat puppets in a play put on by powers to which they cannot help but to submit.
In my understanding of Christianity, the whole point is that we are free to choose, so there is no out with "the Devil made me do it," there is only the choice you have made, for which you are responsible.
yeah, it's a bit of mysticism to explain the emotional pull of doing things that are going to get you into trouble.
I think you are correct about free will, though.