And to top it off, i think they were the bad influence that turned Creative Assembly into Paradox Light.
I could believe that. I will admit that I am getting Total Warhammer 3, on the grounds of "I might as well finish out the trilogy", but after that...we will see. I already skipped TW: Troy because I have heard that it was a case of "One step forward, 2 steps back" (interesting change to the economy, but subpar units and even more borked AI than usual), so unless they really knock something out of the park it may be my last ride with CA.
Even Warhammer 3 is a huge unknown for me right now. The full product of Warhammer 2 is a really good game (at least the campaign, I've no MP experience) but there's a bunch of flags in it. The most obvious is the blatant DLC powercreep, most noticeable with Skaven - vanilla Skaven are utter crap, but if you can get the Ratling Guns or Brood Horrors and you can stomp pretty much anything without breaking a sweat. On top of that, there's so many issues that have been around for ages with minimal addressing (sieges, most melee being a joke, AI screwiness, etc.) that CA will say "yeah, yeah, we know" but have never done much about (though, maybe something will come with sieges in one of the Cathay announcements - they've said it will but shown nothing).
Plus, a lot of what has been announced for Warhammer 3 just seems unappealing. The "Kislev invading the realm of Chaos!" battle they showed was just a tower-defense like thing and thoroughly meh. For me personally I have minimal interest in playing as one of the Chaos factions, so a ton of the content just disappears there. Kislev's roster was turned into "LOL, ICE AND BEARS! DON'T YOU LIKE BEARS AND ICE? IT'S A MAGIC ICE SLED PULLED BY A BEAR!". That just leaves Cathay, which is mostly getting made up from scratch. And, in their blog post about the Cathay legendary lord they've been highlighting for the last week or two, the lead writer described her as compelling because "she is the eldest daughter trying to prove her worth to her father against jealous siblings." So, girl power in a grand strategy game.
Will see how things shake out, but for me it's increasingly looking like "wait a few years for it to get into the discount bin as a complete package". Assuming the Chaos Dwarves do get added in as DLC, and that is good, it might get me to pick it up sooner (I love those little guys and their crazy hats and artillery), but will have to see.
The full product of Warhammer 2 is a really good game (at least the campaign, I've no MP experience) but there's a bunch of flags in it.
Totally agree on the points in this paragraph, but at least modding can somewhat fix them. That is not an excuse for CA, and it is part of the reason I am likely to tap out after Warhammer 3, unless they do something to fix their shit. I am holding out hope though that they are doing a big rework of sieges to go back toward something like what they had with Attila or Rome 2 (after all, they are making all this big hype, so it must not be something related to "Its mostly staying the same.")
I want my wall mounted Dwarf artillery damn it!!
The "Kislev invading the realm of Chaos!" battle they showed was just a tower-defense like thing and thoroughly meh.
To be fair, they seemed to imply that those battles in the Realm of Chaos are either option or situational, so I could probably live with it in small doses.
Kislev's roster was turned into "LOL, ICE AND BEARS! DON'T YOU LIKE BEARS AND ICE? IT'S A MAGIC ICE SLED PULLED BY A BEAR!".
It was? I just looked at their roster again to remind myself, and the only units that used magical ice and bears were the elite, like the Ice Guard (and on a side note, while I dont dislike them, I do prefer Arch's redesign of them). The rest of their units were totally human, riding horses if they were cav, and the only really unusual about their army is that almost all of their infantry are hybrid ranged/melee units.
compelling because "she is the eldest daughter trying to prove her worth to her father against jealous siblings." So, girl power in a grand strategy game.
I disagree with that interpretation. It would be no surprise to me that she would have the whole "prove her worth" thing. She is the eldest child of the emperor. So she would have power, but she needs to prove she deserves it. Meanwhile, no duh her siblings would be jealous, because THEY want the power and prestige so THEY can be the next ruler. And everyone will be backstabbing everyone over power even while the forces of literal hell are knocking on their door. This is basic bitch royalty, and not some "girl power" statement.
All of that said, you are more than welcome to make your own choices, and disagree with my own takes. We are all here for love of game, and that comes with disagreements.
I could believe that. I will admit that I am getting Total Warhammer 3, on the grounds of "I might as well finish out the trilogy", but after that...we will see. I already skipped TW: Troy because I have heard that it was a case of "One step forward, 2 steps back" (interesting change to the economy, but subpar units and even more borked AI than usual), so unless they really knock something out of the park it may be my last ride with CA.
Even Warhammer 3 is a huge unknown for me right now. The full product of Warhammer 2 is a really good game (at least the campaign, I've no MP experience) but there's a bunch of flags in it. The most obvious is the blatant DLC powercreep, most noticeable with Skaven - vanilla Skaven are utter crap, but if you can get the Ratling Guns or Brood Horrors and you can stomp pretty much anything without breaking a sweat. On top of that, there's so many issues that have been around for ages with minimal addressing (sieges, most melee being a joke, AI screwiness, etc.) that CA will say "yeah, yeah, we know" but have never done much about (though, maybe something will come with sieges in one of the Cathay announcements - they've said it will but shown nothing).
Plus, a lot of what has been announced for Warhammer 3 just seems unappealing. The "Kislev invading the realm of Chaos!" battle they showed was just a tower-defense like thing and thoroughly meh. For me personally I have minimal interest in playing as one of the Chaos factions, so a ton of the content just disappears there. Kislev's roster was turned into "LOL, ICE AND BEARS! DON'T YOU LIKE BEARS AND ICE? IT'S A MAGIC ICE SLED PULLED BY A BEAR!". That just leaves Cathay, which is mostly getting made up from scratch. And, in their blog post about the Cathay legendary lord they've been highlighting for the last week or two, the lead writer described her as compelling because "she is the eldest daughter trying to prove her worth to her father against jealous siblings." So, girl power in a grand strategy game.
Will see how things shake out, but for me it's increasingly looking like "wait a few years for it to get into the discount bin as a complete package". Assuming the Chaos Dwarves do get added in as DLC, and that is good, it might get me to pick it up sooner (I love those little guys and their crazy hats and artillery), but will have to see.
Totally agree on the points in this paragraph, but at least modding can somewhat fix them. That is not an excuse for CA, and it is part of the reason I am likely to tap out after Warhammer 3, unless they do something to fix their shit. I am holding out hope though that they are doing a big rework of sieges to go back toward something like what they had with Attila or Rome 2 (after all, they are making all this big hype, so it must not be something related to "Its mostly staying the same.")
I want my wall mounted Dwarf artillery damn it!!
To be fair, they seemed to imply that those battles in the Realm of Chaos are either option or situational, so I could probably live with it in small doses.
It was? I just looked at their roster again to remind myself, and the only units that used magical ice and bears were the elite, like the Ice Guard (and on a side note, while I dont dislike them, I do prefer Arch's redesign of them). The rest of their units were totally human, riding horses if they were cav, and the only really unusual about their army is that almost all of their infantry are hybrid ranged/melee units.
I disagree with that interpretation. It would be no surprise to me that she would have the whole "prove her worth" thing. She is the eldest child of the emperor. So she would have power, but she needs to prove she deserves it. Meanwhile, no duh her siblings would be jealous, because THEY want the power and prestige so THEY can be the next ruler. And everyone will be backstabbing everyone over power even while the forces of literal hell are knocking on their door. This is basic bitch royalty, and not some "girl power" statement.
All of that said, you are more than welcome to make your own choices, and disagree with my own takes. We are all here for love of game, and that comes with disagreements.