I'm taking this out of the reddit thread to discuss it directly.
Kienan was moaning about how .win is less searchable than reddit and how searchability is somehow vital to the success of sites.
This is patently false. Search is not what determines the success or failure of a site. Having a compelling, active community that people want to participate in and spread word about is what makes or breaks a site.
Every time a person types in communities.win, or selects it from their bookmarks, that was a LOSS for google. A loss for reddit. That was traffic that reached us, without them. IN SPITE of them. A net lost customer to them.
That is the power of the internet.
The power to look at any site and decide "you're dead to me", walk away, and deny them all power and go directly to the sites you actually WANT to use.
To those of you who still use reddit: I doubt your commitment to the great work of defeating reddit. In my eyes you are a failure by your own choices as a consumer. You give them power OVER YOU by your continued patronage.
The only answer is to walk away, make this the best we can, use it for everything, and BE THE CHANGE WE WANT TO SEE.
I have no interest in continuing this nonsense, and I have nothing against you. You attacked me for no reason, and made it nasty. I'll give you one response, then I'm peacing out of this ridiculous drama. I do hope we can get along going forward though, like I said, nothing against you. We each have our opinions.
I wasn't "moaning," I was pointing out Reddit has a lot more searchability, traffic, and potential audience. And I stand by that. Each of those things is pretty important. Make or break? Not necessarily. But absolutely important.
Correct. But that's not how 99% of people use the internet. You won't be reaching many new people if you cut off that much. You're not wrong in your statement, but I think you're wrong in the implementation. It just doesn't work that way, Google is the "front page of the internet" for a reason, and people got used to that. Most - for right or wrong - are accustomed to that, and want such a front page. And at present that page is Google.
Again, hard to do when, for a vast swathe of the internet population - a majority - Google is almost synonymous with the internet itself. What you're saying is good personal practice, but it's not an out-and-out solution. It's just not feasible on this sort of scale. There would need to be some massive event, that people are actually allowed to hear about, to break Google's hold at all. Individual users choosing to stay away is great, it really is, but it doesn't solve anything. Yet.
How the fuck is this helpful at all? And you keep saying it, on many different threads. I've seen it like four times from you today, I think. You spend an awful lot of time obsessing about Reddit, for someone who thinks Reddit is irrelevant. Why do you care if there's a KiA2 on Reddit, and why do you care if people want to use it?
Unlike Google's current hold, I do believe Reddit's is slipping. Why not just let KiA2 exist on Reddit until the inevitable end? Until that point, I still believe it's useful to have a bastion there as well. It doubt KiA2 on Reddit will survive the year anyway, but I don't see any harm in sticking it out, and I think there is an upside; I think people will find us over there, that wouldn't have found us here. How many? I don't know, but a non-zero number. Furthermore, it's nice to have that beachhead on Reddit, and I think it will direct more and more people here, as Reddit goes more and more to crap. That's historically how it's worked, too. The longer some people can ride things out on Reddit, the more people who will make it over here before the fall.
I don't think they're irrelevant.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE MADE IRRELEVANT.
Starting with our own community, by pulling the plug over there and putting people on the spot to emigrate.