They never want to take risks, innovate or build things up. They just feel entitled to putting their candy asses into the already well-running stuff. Greedy, lazy, stupid fucks.

Workers can certainly own the means of production... as long as they put up the capital to start production.

You're absolutely right, but it's a back and forth problem.

The company founder worked 80/week for years to make his company succeed and now 2 multimillion dollar houses, 8 cars, etc. He's actually a pretty nice guy but seems to be completely and utterly baffled as to why the people he hired aren't eagerly making the same sacrifice - for $15 - $40 an hour.

Both the commies and the rich company founders tend to have the same vibe trying to discuss the subject, and they're both completely out of touch with what it's actually like for the other people.

Another weird thing about company founders is that they always think they want to hire other people just like themselves but then can never get along with them. Sometimes there's 1 (steve jobs) and sometimes there's 2 (bill gates and steve balmer) but I never see more than 2. You can't have the intense identity-base style of work with more people than that, and they always seem to be angry about that reality.

The commies are way to far on the other side but the "company founder" thing has it's own viewpoint issues that create this back and forth.

Ayn Rand: "There are three kinds of people in this world: Creators, Parasites and Thieves."