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– Piroko 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

You can’t tell me with a straight face that Shanghai and Shenzhen/Guangzhou and Tokyo and Seoul aren’t massive sprawling cities.

They are, but they don't exhibit the same pattern.

Here, I drew you a diagram.

I omitted one ring. In many American cities OUTSIDE the top 20, the stagnant CBD is ringed by by historic districts with strong zoning limits and high land values. In the top 20's these are usually slums with some gentrifying areas.

What occurs in the American city is that the lack of existing mass transit in the suburbs to begin with prevents the suburbs from increasing in density as they age. Even where zoning and historic districts DON'T inhibit the construction of increased density buildings, the lack of transit makes it untenable to increase the density because the roads (designed for suburban density) won't support it.

Building the transit during the densification process doesn't happen because that means clawing back land from existing owners to build transportation corridors that weren't planned.

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– Piroko 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Arlington, VA or San Bruno, CA

Those are suburbs of Top 20 metros. Arlington has commuter rail to DC, I've ridden it before. San Bruno is on the BART subway.

You are living in a fictional world.

I... am focused on the dynamics of the bottom 80 cities of the top American 100.

A lot of American metros are north of a million people, and if they were built like European cities most of them would have subway systems with that level of population (Like Hamburg in Germany). But because of the sprawl, those bottom 80 for the most part can't even manage street level light rail, because there are simply no viable routes. They're not dense enough.

This is a valid criticism of American city design that they are being built in such a way that makes it difficult for them to naturally grow the core, because there was no provision for the areas AROUND the core to increase in traffic density. You CANNOT infinitely widen interstates. It doesn't work.

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– Piroko 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

You literally said that inner suburbs die out and it is impossible to build transit there.

YOU HAVE THE CAUSATION ORDER REVERSED.

WHERE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD TRANSIT... the inner suburbs will die.

In cities that are ABLE to build the transit by force of will and ruthless use of eminent domain, the suburbs will densify, consistent with the European/Asian city style.

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