Rather old, it's from last summer. But yes, the first time I saw this incident marked another addition to my list of reasons as to why the KKK may have been on to something with that whole 'you need to lynch a few joggers from time to time to set an example for the rest' idea of theirs, the most recent addition to which was that horrible kidnapping & murder of a 4-year-old last week. I have not a damn clue as to how anyone expects the American and, more generally, Western social fabric to hold for much longer as shit like this inevitably piles up over the coming years.
KKK threatened random people. That would be as low-iq as what the dumb negro bitch proposes. Justice needs to be targeted to where it's deserved or it doesn't work.
That is the narrative that's been pushed for a century and the one I believed until a few years ago. But there's reason to think at least some of the people who were lynched (whether by the Klan or, more regularly, just random mobs) were criminals who absolutely had their horrific deaths coming, like Jesse Washington (who even the NAACP investigator of his lynching concluded actually murdered the white woman whose death caused his) and Leo Frank (the guy the ADL was founded to defend, who together with the best lawyers money could buy desperately tried to blame his rape & murder of a white girl on a black guy, but couldn't get even the 1910s Deep South to buy his story).
And I do have to wonder: if the popular narrative around the Klan and the lynch mobs is wrong on that count, that they weren't just going around killing random black people for fun but on at least several high-profile occasions lynched actual criminals who have since been lionized and (heh) whitewashed by the media and academia, what else is said narrative wrong about?
But there's reason to think at least some of the people who were lynched (whether by the Klan or, more regularly, just random mobs) were criminals who absolutely had their horrific deaths coming
If you have mob justice and lynching, inevitably some people whom you lynch turn out to be guilty. There's a reason that is not acceptable.
Leo Frank (the guy the ADL was founded to defend, who together with the best lawyers money could buy desperately tried to blame his rape & murder of a white girl on a black guy, but couldn't get even the 1910s Deep South to buy his story).
I've never understood this argument. I have no idea if Leo Frank was guilty or not, but it's not as if people in the deep south were just assuming that every crime was committed by a black guy.
if the popular narrative around the Klan and the lynch mobs is wrong on that count, that they weren't just going around killing random black people for fun
Depends on who 'they' are. Basically, they tended to lynch people whom they presumed guilty, based on good evidence or faulty. Also, in the Reconstruction era, people who dared to vote Republican - black or white.
If you have mob justice and lynching, inevitably some people whom you lynch turn out to be guilty. There's a reason that is not acceptable.
Under normal circumstances, yes. In the event of a total breakdown of society or the capture of the state's organs of justice and law & order by factions which care not a whit for either except to use it as a bludgeon against their enemies however, I find it very difficult to not at least slightly sympathize with those who take law & order into their own hands. Better whatever bloody little slices of justice vigilantism can mete out than none at all, IMO.
I've never understood this argument. I have no idea if Leo Frank was guilty or not, but it's not as if people in the deep south were just assuming that every crime was committed by a black guy.
Can't find the article which laid the case against Frank out right now, all I remember is that it was on a website long tarred as 'antisemitic' and a nest of conspiracy theories by the mainstream (despite, as far as I can tell, hardly being Stormfronty). Unz, Urz or something like that - I recall it also had an Assange associate on board, which was what drew my interest to it in the first place way back in the day.
But I do remember one of its arguments as to why the Frank case was so exceptional was that 'raped and murdered white girls' was the #1 accusation for lynching, and that it obviously carried the most waving-red-flags-in-front-of-a-bull racial implications for white Southern society. There's no way the Deep South of the 1910s would have allowed a black guy they thought, even for a second, really did rape and murder a 13-year-old white girl go free, which would be tantamount to letting him pose a further threat to other little white girls as far as they'd be concerned.
Couple that with other arguments on how Frank was a wealthy & well-connected (particularly to the media and other Jewish business tycoons) businessman with no known enemies in Georgia who was capable of affording, or even being practically gifted, top-end lawyers while the aforementioned black guy was literally a dirt-poor janitor, as well as how the trial & appeals process were quite exhaustive and dragged on for years (as opposed to being the extremely quick & unfair affairs as you might expect of an actual 'we just really want this guy dead/free because he's not white/white' case), and well. You can see why the ADL's interpretation of the case & lynching, which have been the popular view for a century, makes less and less sense the more you examine it.
Depends on who 'they' are. Basically, they tended to lynch people whom they presumed guilty, based on good evidence or faulty. Also, in the Reconstruction era, people who dared to vote Republican - black or white.
We don't need to go overboard.
Yeah, fair enough. Sometimes I forget the need to take a break from this enraging shit & go do something else to wind myself down.
Rather old, it's from last summer. But yes, the first time I saw this incident marked another addition to my list of reasons as to why the KKK may have been on to something with that whole 'you need to lynch a few joggers from time to time to set an example for the rest' idea of theirs, the most recent addition to which was that horrible kidnapping & murder of a 4-year-old last week. I have not a damn clue as to how anyone expects the American and, more generally, Western social fabric to hold for much longer as shit like this inevitably piles up over the coming years.
KKK threatened random people. That would be as low-iq as what the dumb negro bitch proposes. Justice needs to be targeted to where it's deserved or it doesn't work.
That is the narrative that's been pushed for a century and the one I believed until a few years ago. But there's reason to think at least some of the people who were lynched (whether by the Klan or, more regularly, just random mobs) were criminals who absolutely had their horrific deaths coming, like Jesse Washington (who even the NAACP investigator of his lynching concluded actually murdered the white woman whose death caused his) and Leo Frank (the guy the ADL was founded to defend, who together with the best lawyers money could buy desperately tried to blame his rape & murder of a white girl on a black guy, but couldn't get even the 1910s Deep South to buy his story).
And I do have to wonder: if the popular narrative around the Klan and the lynch mobs is wrong on that count, that they weren't just going around killing random black people for fun but on at least several high-profile occasions lynched actual criminals who have since been lionized and (heh) whitewashed by the media and academia, what else is said narrative wrong about?
If you have mob justice and lynching, inevitably some people whom you lynch turn out to be guilty. There's a reason that is not acceptable.
I've never understood this argument. I have no idea if Leo Frank was guilty or not, but it's not as if people in the deep south were just assuming that every crime was committed by a black guy.
Depends on who 'they' are. Basically, they tended to lynch people whom they presumed guilty, based on good evidence or faulty. Also, in the Reconstruction era, people who dared to vote Republican - black or white.
We don't need to go overboard.
Under normal circumstances, yes. In the event of a total breakdown of society or the capture of the state's organs of justice and law & order by factions which care not a whit for either except to use it as a bludgeon against their enemies however, I find it very difficult to not at least slightly sympathize with those who take law & order into their own hands. Better whatever bloody little slices of justice vigilantism can mete out than none at all, IMO.
Can't find the article which laid the case against Frank out right now, all I remember is that it was on a website long tarred as 'antisemitic' and a nest of conspiracy theories by the mainstream (despite, as far as I can tell, hardly being Stormfronty). Unz, Urz or something like that - I recall it also had an Assange associate on board, which was what drew my interest to it in the first place way back in the day.
But I do remember one of its arguments as to why the Frank case was so exceptional was that 'raped and murdered white girls' was the #1 accusation for lynching, and that it obviously carried the most waving-red-flags-in-front-of-a-bull racial implications for white Southern society. There's no way the Deep South of the 1910s would have allowed a black guy they thought, even for a second, really did rape and murder a 13-year-old white girl go free, which would be tantamount to letting him pose a further threat to other little white girls as far as they'd be concerned.
Couple that with other arguments on how Frank was a wealthy & well-connected (particularly to the media and other Jewish business tycoons) businessman with no known enemies in Georgia who was capable of affording, or even being practically gifted, top-end lawyers while the aforementioned black guy was literally a dirt-poor janitor, as well as how the trial & appeals process were quite exhaustive and dragged on for years (as opposed to being the extremely quick & unfair affairs as you might expect of an actual 'we just really want this guy dead/free because he's not white/white' case), and well. You can see why the ADL's interpretation of the case & lynching, which have been the popular view for a century, makes less and less sense the more you examine it.
Yeah, fair enough. Sometimes I forget the need to take a break from this enraging shit & go do something else to wind myself down.