I don't want to get in between you two's slap fight but crime rates and gender aren't exactly a solid data point. Women barely get even reprimanded for crimes, let alone charged, let alone the full actual charge instead of a lesser crime.
Its actually a real problem, especially in the "molesting and/or abusing kids" sector of crime.
I question how common it is that women don't even get 'charged' as a general rule. But even if true, that would actually support my point. Look at crimes such as murder, which are pretty difficult to hide. If women are barely punished for crimes (so less of a deterrent effect), and still they commit far fewer crimes, that really does show something.
And it most certainly shows that "only wahmen would do bad things, because men couldn't live with themselves" is the usual from this poor victim of the 5'1" Assassin Squad.
I'm not trying to take a side here, just point that the data you are using isn't a solid metric to simply say "this disproves you instantly."
If women are barely punished for crimes (so less of a deterrent effect), and still they commit far fewer crimes, that really does show something.
This does assume though that women and men are equal, and therefore respond to the same draws towards crime and the same deterrents out of it. Which is a very reductive idea.
Men are more than perfectly capable of crimes, I'd agree even that they commit far more. But only in the sense of defining crime as an illegal activity in the eyes of the court/law, which is also not a solid metric of defining the "badness" of the two genders either.
This does assume though that women and men are equal, and therefore respond to the same draws towards crime and the same deterrents out of it. Which is a very reductive idea.
I think you may have misunderstood. Even if women and men were exactly the same in every respect except size and strength, women would still be less likely to commit crimes due to lesser ability.
But if you're going to talk about how capable people are of doing bad things, then surely the crime rate is relevant.
But only in the sense of defining crime as an illegal activity in the eyes of the court/law, which is also not a solid metric of defining the "badness" of the two genders either.
I think it is folly to try to brand people as bad or good because of their biology. But that was my point entirely. Even though crime rates don't prove that men in general are worse than women, then surely they do prove that men are capable of doing bad things, and to a greater extent than women at that (see the rate of violent crime).
But if you're going to talk about how capable people are of doing bad things, then surely the crime rate is relevant.
And crime is only measured by data and things we enforce as illegal. Its hard to make something criminal when you can't prove it in a court of law. And the only reason this is relevant is because most of the "bad things" women are responsible for are immeasurable, such as warping the minds of children they are rearing. Unlike him I don't think they are orchestrating some grand conspiracy of evil you can nail them on.
But that was my point entirely
And I didn't disagree with your point, because his was so outright foolish enough that anything could honestly disprove it. Only that "crime rates" are not solid metrics for disproving it, because of how imperfectly they are enforced between the two genders.
I don't want to get in between you two's slap fight but crime rates and gender aren't exactly a solid data point. Women barely get even reprimanded for crimes, let alone charged, let alone the full actual charge instead of a lesser crime.
Its actually a real problem, especially in the "molesting and/or abusing kids" sector of crime.
I question how common it is that women don't even get 'charged' as a general rule. But even if true, that would actually support my point. Look at crimes such as murder, which are pretty difficult to hide. If women are barely punished for crimes (so less of a deterrent effect), and still they commit far fewer crimes, that really does show something.
And it most certainly shows that "only wahmen would do bad things, because men couldn't live with themselves" is the usual from this poor victim of the 5'1" Assassin Squad.
I'm not trying to take a side here, just point that the data you are using isn't a solid metric to simply say "this disproves you instantly."
This does assume though that women and men are equal, and therefore respond to the same draws towards crime and the same deterrents out of it. Which is a very reductive idea.
Men are more than perfectly capable of crimes, I'd agree even that they commit far more. But only in the sense of defining crime as an illegal activity in the eyes of the court/law, which is also not a solid metric of defining the "badness" of the two genders either.
I think you may have misunderstood. Even if women and men were exactly the same in every respect except size and strength, women would still be less likely to commit crimes due to lesser ability.
But if you're going to talk about how capable people are of doing bad things, then surely the crime rate is relevant.
I think it is folly to try to brand people as bad or good because of their biology. But that was my point entirely. Even though crime rates don't prove that men in general are worse than women, then surely they do prove that men are capable of doing bad things, and to a greater extent than women at that (see the rate of violent crime).
And crime is only measured by data and things we enforce as illegal. Its hard to make something criminal when you can't prove it in a court of law. And the only reason this is relevant is because most of the "bad things" women are responsible for are immeasurable, such as warping the minds of children they are rearing. Unlike him I don't think they are orchestrating some grand conspiracy of evil you can nail them on.
And I didn't disagree with your point, because his was so outright foolish enough that anything could honestly disprove it. Only that "crime rates" are not solid metrics for disproving it, because of how imperfectly they are enforced between the two genders.