To be serious for a second, that's genuinely good to hear.
She wants me to visit for Christmas but Covid will probably deny that. I'm certainly not taking that AstraZeneca vaccine.
I won't be seeing family this Christmas either, due to a mixture of my job putting me at much greater risk of exposure/of transmitting and some other factors I won't be getting into. Fingers crossed, the folks will manage to do something nice involving other close family members who are not in the same situation, however.
Personally, I've been sticking to quite strict contact rules throughout the year, often above the legal requirements. Widespread vaccinations (if safe and successful) would be great if and when they finally roll out, but I'm unlikely to be at the front of any queue to try things out, and I'm a whole lot more hopeful for the Oxford one than the various less practical and more hyper-capitalistically priced/motivated ones. Personally, I'm happy to continue as I have been and just see how things pan out for a while yet.
Right, that's enough of the serious, back to the less so.
Going great.
You are aware she is a woman, right?
How would you define the state of someone hating specifically your mother for no other reason than her sharing a sex with various people who have attracted the ire of that hypothetical person?
I'm going to resist pointing out that anything from the UK is as trustworthy as a 9 dollar bill and answer your final point.
Of course I'm aware, and if you've read my comments where I have called for some kind of action where men refuse to help women, I have always said to not let it come between you and family members. Of course, if I had family that are admitted radfems, I would run for the hills, so I suppose I'm a hypocrite.
So, if she met someone who felt like I do generally? Well, considering my "hatred" is mainly social media comments, boycotting, and refusing interaction...I don't think I'd really notice.
Understand, I'm just shooting shit here because it's late and I'm waiting for a washing machine.
So, if she met someone who felt like I do generally? Well, considering my "hatred" is mainly social media comments, boycotting, and refusing interaction...I don't think I'd really notice.
Hypotheticals are fun, so let's run with this. The prime assumption here is that you started all this nonsense with Antonio by claiming there was no such thing as misogyny, so no. We're not using you as the model here, let's say she's out and about and she has met someone who not only feels like he does about your mother because he's mentally grouping her with all other women, he's also a low IQ person with a criminal record and a history of public antisocial behaviour.
Our hypothetical thug met your mother at the Supermarket, and was rude to her while they queued for the tills.
Then he pushed past her on the way out of the building, nearly knocking her over while she tried to pack her groceries.
People confronted him because that's more than just rude, she nearly fell over and could have hurt herself, but he was unrepentant and he shouted a lot of angry things at her, accusing her of all manner of bad things and generally being really hostile.
When your Mother collected herself and went back to the car, she found him waiting for her. He was still furious at being called out and blamed her for getting him barred from the Supermarket. He verbally harrassed her, repeated some of the accusations he made in the supermarket, dismissing her as a social parasite who hated men and who would stab anyone in the back just to improve her personal situation.
The incident was broken up when the store security became aware of the brewing altercation, but not before he was able to spit in her face and tell her that she better hope she doesn't meet him in a dark allyway, because next time she might get what's coming to her.
They have never met of course, our hypothetical thug and your Mother. Chances are, he wasn't even in his right mind as that kind of criminal record often goes hand in hand with drug abuse, but he seemed pretty sincere about his views. He's not a smart guy like you, he's not a primarily online person who at most will be rude about people where they won't ever really encounter it. He's an old-fashioned, meat-space asshole and he genuinely believes that your mother in particular deserves whatever bad treatment he metes out, purely on the basis of her shared guilt.
Just mull this silly hypothetical over for a minute, and reconsider my previous question.
At this point, aren't you making the same point that our feminist "friends" do about the danger of the incel that's hiding under their bed, or in the gym they don't go to, or in the workplace they got diversity hired into?
By now, it's abundantly clear that the "incel rebellion" was a fabrication to allow women to add themselves as a protected minority group, despite not being a minority. This will lead to the criminalization of "misogyny" which will protect them from all the nasty claims like "men have rights" and "women in power do seem to help women more than they ever seem to care about men."
That's the issue I have. You can see actual racism in action in history. You can see anti-semitism. When can you ever see misogyny except when it's being used as a deflection from something horrendous a woman said or did?
Attacking people in the street will always be a crime, regardless of ideology. You could strip out the politics entirely and it's happened thousands of times.
Do I believe that classifying hate speech against women (as they define it) as justified would cause violence? Honestly, no. Calls for violence will still not be justifiable, regardless.
Going great. She wants me to visit for Christmas but Covid will probably deny that. I'm certainly not taking that AstraZeneca vaccine.
To be serious for a second, that's genuinely good to hear.
I won't be seeing family this Christmas either, due to a mixture of my job putting me at much greater risk of exposure/of transmitting and some other factors I won't be getting into. Fingers crossed, the folks will manage to do something nice involving other close family members who are not in the same situation, however.
Personally, I've been sticking to quite strict contact rules throughout the year, often above the legal requirements. Widespread vaccinations (if safe and successful) would be great if and when they finally roll out, but I'm unlikely to be at the front of any queue to try things out, and I'm a whole lot more hopeful for the Oxford one than the various less practical and more hyper-capitalistically priced/motivated ones. Personally, I'm happy to continue as I have been and just see how things pan out for a while yet.
Right, that's enough of the serious, back to the less so.
You are aware she is a woman, right?
How would you define the state of someone hating specifically your mother for no other reason than her sharing a sex with various people who have attracted the ire of that hypothetical person?
I'm going to resist pointing out that anything from the UK is as trustworthy as a 9 dollar bill and answer your final point.
Of course I'm aware, and if you've read my comments where I have called for some kind of action where men refuse to help women, I have always said to not let it come between you and family members. Of course, if I had family that are admitted radfems, I would run for the hills, so I suppose I'm a hypocrite.
So, if she met someone who felt like I do generally? Well, considering my "hatred" is mainly social media comments, boycotting, and refusing interaction...I don't think I'd really notice.
Understand, I'm just shooting shit here because it's late and I'm waiting for a washing machine.
Hypotheticals are fun, so let's run with this. The prime assumption here is that you started all this nonsense with Antonio by claiming there was no such thing as misogyny, so no. We're not using you as the model here, let's say she's out and about and she has met someone who not only feels like he does about your mother because he's mentally grouping her with all other women, he's also a low IQ person with a criminal record and a history of public antisocial behaviour.
Our hypothetical thug met your mother at the Supermarket, and was rude to her while they queued for the tills.
Then he pushed past her on the way out of the building, nearly knocking her over while she tried to pack her groceries.
People confronted him because that's more than just rude, she nearly fell over and could have hurt herself, but he was unrepentant and he shouted a lot of angry things at her, accusing her of all manner of bad things and generally being really hostile.
When your Mother collected herself and went back to the car, she found him waiting for her. He was still furious at being called out and blamed her for getting him barred from the Supermarket. He verbally harrassed her, repeated some of the accusations he made in the supermarket, dismissing her as a social parasite who hated men and who would stab anyone in the back just to improve her personal situation.
The incident was broken up when the store security became aware of the brewing altercation, but not before he was able to spit in her face and tell her that she better hope she doesn't meet him in a dark allyway, because next time she might get what's coming to her.
They have never met of course, our hypothetical thug and your Mother. Chances are, he wasn't even in his right mind as that kind of criminal record often goes hand in hand with drug abuse, but he seemed pretty sincere about his views. He's not a smart guy like you, he's not a primarily online person who at most will be rude about people where they won't ever really encounter it. He's an old-fashioned, meat-space asshole and he genuinely believes that your mother in particular deserves whatever bad treatment he metes out, purely on the basis of her shared guilt.
Just mull this silly hypothetical over for a minute, and reconsider my previous question.
At this point, aren't you making the same point that our feminist "friends" do about the danger of the incel that's hiding under their bed, or in the gym they don't go to, or in the workplace they got diversity hired into?
By now, it's abundantly clear that the "incel rebellion" was a fabrication to allow women to add themselves as a protected minority group, despite not being a minority. This will lead to the criminalization of "misogyny" which will protect them from all the nasty claims like "men have rights" and "women in power do seem to help women more than they ever seem to care about men."
That's the issue I have. You can see actual racism in action in history. You can see anti-semitism. When can you ever see misogyny except when it's being used as a deflection from something horrendous a woman said or did?
Attacking people in the street will always be a crime, regardless of ideology. You could strip out the politics entirely and it's happened thousands of times.
Do I believe that classifying hate speech against women (as they define it) as justified would cause violence? Honestly, no. Calls for violence will still not be justifiable, regardless.