It was at that moment I woke up
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Yeah, there's a moment right before the end where your guy gets shot in the back, and he needs to push a button to save the day, but he can't because he's on the ground dying. Just for a second I entertained the possibility that that might actually be the end, and I was okay with it. Refreshing to actually have some fiction where the main character gets lethally hurt, and doesn't power through it through a sheer effort of will or the desire to protect his loved ones or the power of friendship or some similar shit. To have a message that sometimes, you can try hard and it doesn't matter. You know, like in real life. Aaand then he gets up for exactly one of those bullshit reasons and my eyeballs rolled so far back into my head I missed most of the rest of the ending, thankfully.
So yes, I would have even been okay with an ending much darker than they included, where literally everyone dies, but the ones they did instead were just so lazy on top of railroading the player into agreeing with some pretty stupid philosophy at the end.
Dragon Age 2, as well. It was where Bioware's devs (Hepler first & foremost, I believe) started throwing out the 'gamers are entitled' attack in response to criticism over their game being an underwhelming, rushed and disjointed hot mess with cut-and-paste maps, parachuting enemies replacing logical enemy placement, far more railroading than Origins, and so on.
I didn't think too much of it at the time - it worsened my opinion of the Bioware devs who spazzed out, of course, but I still liked Bioware and its works in general back then - but in hindsight it foreshadowed their same behavior (just to a much bigger extent) when ME3 came out and disappointed.
The ending to Game of Thrones meets the entitlement criteria better than anything. Women wanted their Hitler-like waifu in power at the end and got absolutely humiliated. Hilarious!
The ending was perfect and anyone who complains about it is an entitled, whiny bitch.
GoT was rotten for at least three seasons before that ending anyway, and 'unwarranted grrrl powah overwhelming all sense of reason & logic to the plot' was a part of said rot for a while.
Cersei getting away with nuking the Westerosi equivalent to the Vatican and randomly seizing the throne for no apparent reason nor with any legal backing was the worst it got outside of anything to do with Girl-Hitler, but it went on for an even longer while than Season 5 I'd say. You could see it cropping up as early as Seasons 2-3 (when the show was at its best) with the replacement of Robb's queen with a sassy exotic nurse who, frankly, had no reason to be in his presence at all.
Precisely. Honestly, in regards to that specific character change, the anachronistic 'womanpower' attitude of Talisa wasn't even what maddened me the most (although it was certainly annoying and out-of-place), but how it drastically altered the character of both Robb & Jeyne and the uniqueness of their marriage's circumstances for the worse.
Robb and Jeyne didn't love each other as you said, they probably liked each other well enough on account of being two reasonably attractive teenagers, but they only got hitched because Robb's honor and memory of his (seeming) half-brother Jon wouldn't let him take a highborn maiden's virginity and saddle his child by her with bastardy. Kings and princes making poor matches to their own detriment b/c 'luv' happens all the time in medieval fantasy or historical fiction where there's a romantic arc involved, but them making poor matches for honor's sake, not so much.
(Also, Jeyne was a Westerosi-born noblewoman, even if her house was one of lesser nobility that was in decline, so she'd have been a controversial but still somewhat believable match for King Robb had they lived in better times)
But nah, Weiss & Benioff turned that unique and complicated situation into one where the King in the North falls in love with a random foreign nurse for backtalking him, then marries her in violation of all common sense and in so doing, actually throws his honor under the bus to be with her - literally the opposite of what Book-Robb was trying to do (balancing his honor, Jeyne's, and the Freys'). Stories where 'royalty marries commoner, gets screwed over because of it' are a dime a dozen and thus don't have nearly as much impact as the Robb/Jeyne relationship, IMO.
People don't like reality. Targaryens tend to go crazy. Long history of it. They couldn't realize they were cheering for the crazy person who just started out nice and not crazy. Not to mention the super duper extremely fucked up life she lived. They wanted her to overcome the madness that was in her family, the murder of her parents and family, going into exile as a tiny child, being essentially sold off, had assassin's after her, multiple friends betray her, being constantly around death and murdered people, etc... and nah, when it came down to doing the right thing, especially at King's Landing, ofc she just went all fucking nuts murdering people with her dragon, lighting them on fire. The fantasy was just that: they wanted their waifu to be the savior, and she was just like the rest of them (mostly :P).
Just like how they spun backlash to The Last Jedi as fans not getting what they thought would happen.
No, you absolute dickwads. I didn’t speculate about what would happen at all. All I wanted was a good movie.