Eloquent Antifa genius has an opinion about us
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Calling Kyle a murderer is so fucking stupid.
First off he didn't shoot first. There was another man that shot first on video. And in many parts of the country there is a legal doctrine that makes a person starting a violent crime responsible for all crimes connected to it. So in that case both alleged murders would be blamed squarely on that rioter.
Now let's ignore that. Let's just go back to Kyle did not shoot first. So we have 2 men. One shoots in Kyle's general area and one actively chasing Kyle. From Kyle's perspective those two things must be related. And on video it is clear they are related. So Kyle returns fire, returning fire automatically puts this into self-defense. Then we have additional shots fired after fired from a 3rd person. In no viewing of these circumstances can Kyle be expected to not feel under threat of lethal bodily harm. In addition those shooters give Kyle an immediate reason to leave the area, which he does.
If we go further back in time. Kyle puts out a fire at a fucking gas station. A Gas station catching fire likely would have killed or injured several people, possible even Kyle. Again justified self-defense against the people trying to blow up a gas station. Yet Kyle ran from them.
If we go beyond the first death. We go into the lynch mob chasing down a hispanic boy to kill him before he can make it to the police. A group of mostly white people chasing a non-white boy to beat and murder him in the street. That was the purpose, they had no intention of turning him over to the police. They had no intention of having him stand trial. He is knocked to the ground and attacked by multiple people, yet he doesn't just fire at any possible threat. He only fires at the last possible moment for immediate danger. Killing one attacker and disarming one attacker. The disarmed one openly admitting he intended to murder Kyle in the street. With his illegally possessed pistol that he brought to the riot. Things people also miss about this video, there are multiple gunshots in the distance.
At no point is it morally, ethically or legally anything but Kyle justifiably defending himself.
He might have broken some minor firearm law. A law that Kyle has a serious chance of overturning on 2nd amendment grounds. But Kyle did not commit a violent crime.
What happened is that the BLM crowd was already so angry that any opposition deserves death in their view. They would have laughed if Kyle was executed in the street and called him hispanic racial slurs in his death. They would have done that if Kyle didn't kill or harm anyone.
I think, by Vaush's logic, Rittenhouse was obliged to wait until someone blew his brains out before being allowed to respond. Up until that point it was completely unjustified.
Going by his discussion with Destiny, he believes it's wrong to kill multiple people as an individual, even in self defense, because that's obviously represents a greater loss of life than if you just let the mob kill you.
The thing about it is that it is in fact logical. If this is how x situation is going to play out and x individual can simply not defend himself and die, that does in fact result in only one death instead of an indeterminate amount of deaths.
The problem is obviously that it's amoral. His perception of it illuminates the fact that he simply doesn't believe in the sovereignty of the individual. Individual sovereignty is the determining moral factor in what side you fall on in this issue (provided you're not grossly misinformed by legacy media). Individual sovereignty means you have the right to defend yourself from any given threat or threats. Once you remove that principle, his view makes perfect sense.
It also made it clear that Destiny, who clearly does believe in the sovereignty of the individual, isn't too far gone and maybe redeemable. That's really one of the most important core moral principles for someone to have, imo, so there's something there to work with in regards to Destiny. I should watch that stream he did with Sargon. I meant to but never got around to it, maybe he's come around more than I'm aware of.
You're not wrong.
Such a worldview also would appear to excuse any act by a large mob simply as a matter of framing: "Not ransacking your house and looting your possessions damages all of us!"
Literally what communism is lol.