Kotaku refers to U.S. military personnel as "Whiny Cowards"
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This stupid-ass new 'doctrine' that banning someone from your chat-room is curtailing their free speech is weak as fuck and needs to go away. And they have the gall to call measured and careful responses to outrage-trolling 'whiney'?
People get banned for using all-caps too much in twitch chats all the fucking time because they're disrupting the discussion by being distracting. Piping up in a military-sponsored chatroom with low-effort troll shit like "What is your favorite American war crime?" is very obviously meant to derail, embarrass, and disrupt the stream. But no, that's protected speech because it is anti-military, anti-patriotic, and anti-traditional. Rebel shit is protected, but the exact same level of simple miscreancy, no, that's not speech at all, you can ban those losers for joking around, but you can't ban our trolls because their targets are sanctioned.
I was anti-war on 9/12/01. I was anti-war before then, and have been since.
These leftists do not represent us. We're not anti-war because we hate our country, we're anti-war because we love the soldiers and we love our country and we do not want them to die and their legacy bloodied further under a banner of supposed freedom. The foreign policy should be self-defense and nothing else.
TL;DR Not all of us anti-war people are anti-military. Also, this spamraiding and incessant question-asking is, while legitimate, not appropriate and these schucks deserve the banhammer they're getting hit with.
That very much depends. I've had a lot of problems with the anti-war crowd, and they were almost universally dominated by Leftist idealogues.
So I was in Iraq during the surge, and I had to listen to a retired general on NBC explain how the surge had already failed months earlier, while I was literally staring at the first mainbody (instead of advanced) troops to arrive in country eating their first chow in Iraq. This is my problem with the Left establishment when it comes to war, and as the Leftists basically parrot the sentiment all the way down to the rest of the anti-war movement.
When you sit veterans and peace-activists down at the table (much like gun control activists and gun-rights supporters), the fundamentals are nearly universally agreed upon. The problem is that the activists tend to be wildly ill-informed about what reality looks like.
When it comes to the communists & socialists, every word out of their mouth is a fucking lie because they'll call themselves advocates for peace while demanding a revolution at home. They've never once cared about the absolute piles of dead they leave in either their wake, or as a result of their "peace activist" policies applied anywhere else, either in Vietnam, or Iraq, or wherever.
That reminds me of a song...
The people who I hear singing this song, and congratulating themselves for being "peace activists" and being "on the right side of history"; are the same people who will never taken an ounce of responsibility, or manage a moment of introspection, for turning Camp Speicher from this into this. That happened despite 10 years of warnings about the dangers of an early withdrawal, the incompetence and corruption of the Iraqi government, and the myth that we were fighting 'hapless freedom fighters yearning for peace and freedom' and not blood thirsty, raping, murderous condemnable savages who are such a detriment to humanity that they aren't worth the bullets we kill them with.
I'm not surprised that AQI's goal was to replicate the success that the NVA and their American Peace Activist Allies in Vietnam had that lead to identical massacres. You know, after they tried spitting and throwing piss at veterans returning home, publicly shaming many of them into hiding their service, and ignoring the South Vietnamese pleas for help before they were snuffed out. I wonder if Pete Seeger wrote a song about the wholesale slaughter that took place after we did, 'bring 'em home'. I'm sure he was busy with... anything else.
I have found through personal experience that most 'peace activists' were bourgeois college kids wanting to feel good about themselves by virtue signaling, and were wholly ignorant of the fact that sometimes violence & war is the less bloody than their efforts at peace. Honestly, we could relate more to the little Iraqi kids living in poverty and fucked up broken homes, than the American college kids that called me a "tool for imperialism". The rest tended to be rancid fucking communists who only wanted 'peace' because the wrong side wasn't losing.
What we can agree on is that Paul Wolfowitz should be publicly executed.
Based last sentence, and the rest is also pretty based.
I suggest checking out Tom Woods, Scott Horton, and the late Murray Rothbard for some actual paleo(libertarian) anti-war. The first two even have podcasts, I believe.
You're just preaching to the choir at this point.
It was never the Libertarian movement that did any of those things. The problem is, like the Libertarian/Conservative supporters of ending segregation, they don't tend to represent the mass of activists attaching their name to it.