Kotaku refers to U.S. military personnel as "Whiny Cowards"
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That very much depends. I've had a lot of problems with the anti-war crowd, and they were almost universally dominated by Leftist idealogues.
So I was in Iraq during the surge, and I had to listen to a retired general on NBC explain how the surge had already failed months earlier, while I was literally staring at the first mainbody (instead of advanced) troops to arrive in country eating their first chow in Iraq. This is my problem with the Left establishment when it comes to war, and as the Leftists basically parrot the sentiment all the way down to the rest of the anti-war movement.
When you sit veterans and peace-activists down at the table (much like gun control activists and gun-rights supporters), the fundamentals are nearly universally agreed upon. The problem is that the activists tend to be wildly ill-informed about what reality looks like.
When it comes to the communists & socialists, every word out of their mouth is a fucking lie because they'll call themselves advocates for peace while demanding a revolution at home. They've never once cared about the absolute piles of dead they leave in either their wake, or as a result of their "peace activist" policies applied anywhere else, either in Vietnam, or Iraq, or wherever.
That reminds me of a song...
The people who I hear singing this song, and congratulating themselves for being "peace activists" and being "on the right side of history"; are the same people who will never taken an ounce of responsibility, or manage a moment of introspection, for turning Camp Speicher from this into this. That happened despite 10 years of warnings about the dangers of an early withdrawal, the incompetence and corruption of the Iraqi government, and the myth that we were fighting 'hapless freedom fighters yearning for peace and freedom' and not blood thirsty, raping, murderous condemnable savages who are such a detriment to humanity that they aren't worth the bullets we kill them with.
I'm not surprised that AQI's goal was to replicate the success that the NVA and their American Peace Activist Allies in Vietnam had that lead to identical massacres. You know, after they tried spitting and throwing piss at veterans returning home, publicly shaming many of them into hiding their service, and ignoring the South Vietnamese pleas for help before they were snuffed out. I wonder if Pete Seeger wrote a song about the wholesale slaughter that took place after we did, 'bring 'em home'. I'm sure he was busy with... anything else.
I have found through personal experience that most 'peace activists' were bourgeois college kids wanting to feel good about themselves by virtue signaling, and were wholly ignorant of the fact that sometimes violence & war is the less bloody than their efforts at peace. Honestly, we could relate more to the little Iraqi kids living in poverty and fucked up broken homes, than the American college kids that called me a "tool for imperialism". The rest tended to be rancid fucking communists who only wanted 'peace' because the wrong side wasn't losing.
What we can agree on is that Paul Wolfowitz should be publicly executed.
Based last sentence, and the rest is also pretty based.
I suggest checking out Tom Woods, Scott Horton, and the late Murray Rothbard for some actual paleo(libertarian) anti-war. The first two even have podcasts, I believe.
You're just preaching to the choir at this point.
It was never the Libertarian movement that did any of those things. The problem is, like the Libertarian/Conservative supporters of ending segregation, they don't tend to represent the mass of activists attaching their name to it.
ye ik you weren't talking about us. You made that clear at the beginning. I was just telling you to check out some people you might not have heard of.
Hadn't heard of Scott Horton, gotta look him up.
How's your silver stockpile coming? My Trumpbucks just came in, so Imma take that currency and put it into money.
Yeah it was odd because I was taught in high school that Left Good and War Bad but they got really quiet during the Obama administration.
So I've gone back to examining my own principles and feelings, and I've again reached the conclusion that war is a necessary evil and a natural part of life and being explicitly "anti-war" both opens you up to being used as a political pawn and is as ridiculous as being, I dunno, anti-trade or something.
It's just part of life.
I mean, the strongest anti-war proponents I know are all basically veterans. Why?
"I don't want to die for some retarded bullshit."
The point is to just not start wars you don't need to. If you end up in a war, you really have to fight your way out of it, even if you intend to lose, just so that you don't get fuck annihilated.
In college, I agreed with the concept of the drone program, just potentially not it's breadth. The fact that I stopped getting pushback on that surprised me quite a bit.
I genuinely laughed when I heard about Solemani. I've never seen a president just straight up smoke a bitch... he literally shit talked himself to death... but those are exactly the kind of targeted killings that are useful. A critical individual in enemy infrastructure. Not just bombing a wedding and hoping you get a few of the right people. Where I go further than most people is saying that you might have to drone strike lower-level technical experts like bomb-makers and financiers because their actual skills are very hard for the enemy to replace.