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StateofJefferson 1 point ago +1 / -0

From the 1100's on it was a 300 year back and forth between individual caliphates and a mini-crusade. With every major city swapping sides multiple times. And with almost all the major cities of the peninsula starting out in various caliphates hands.

It was a nonsense filler to point out that the muslims in Spain were not unified. Between each other and the wider muslim world. If a spanish caliphate was failing those people would leave or attack somewhere else. The Berbers would leave at random, mostly to attack and pillage somewhere else.

Too your other two points, to a greater or lesser degree, you agree the moors and their descendants are still there (and I agree that it is probably the latter).

Also, because you made me look some of this up, counter point: Oran fatwa (Taqiyya but specific to Spain, issued in the 1500's). And apparently, almost 5.5 million muslims at their "height", out of 7 million inhabitants.

edit: last part is more of a interesting statistic then a counter point.

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StateofJefferson 2 points ago +2 / -0

You're right the Moors as a group varied in their numbers throughout the 800ish years of what is considered their rule of Spain.

Historically, both the Arab muslims and Berbers were never particularly known for their stable, expansive empires. So, those that did stay after the conquest of Spain/Portugal, had to make do virtually on their own. Those that couldn't left.

But considering 800 years, average lifespan of 35ish, that is 23 generations of interbreeding...

Also this is during the end of the Middle ages, and I have no idea as to the efficacy of efforts to expel a people (I know this was about the time of the Reconquista but that would just add to the chaos).

edit: and later the Inquisition.

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StateofJefferson 1 point ago +1 / -0

I thought that virtually everyone (even the Spanish) considered the Basques to be not worth it. The people considered violent, rebellious and clannish; and the land hard to work/get to. Basically attacked but never conquered.

Similar to Scottish Highlands/clans.

(Isn't Basque an independent zone right now?)

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StateofJefferson 1 point ago +1 / -0

Arab Caliphates with Berber subordinates/troops ruled Spain to one degree or another for 800 years, till they were gradually subsumed by the native population.

I am not sure about the specifics of the numbers you refer to. But would be confident that the Iberian peninsula has the largest amount of Negroid contributions. Just like a supposition that the Ural area would have the largest mix of Caucasoid/Mongoloid followed by the Baltic's (might be close).

All in all, your probably right that its a small amount, but definite is still kind of an iffy qualifier.

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StateofJefferson 9 points ago +10 / -1

Spain was invaded in the 700's by Moors/Muslims, it was conquered all the way to the Pyrenees. They never really left...

Same sort of logic for a good portion of the Baltic's.

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StateofJefferson 6 points ago +6 / -0

The thermostat happened on election night, these people accessed the "polling pad."

@1:25 in the video